In reply to:A lot of people have views that are uneducated or something passed down from parents or other outside sources and never had a chance to claim their own opinion. By having discussions it gives these peoples a chance to evaluate the topic and make the OWN opinion instead of an opinion passed down to them from family/friends etc. Um Not everyone.. my parents don't really have a say as to what I believe.. we've never really talked about homosexuality In reply to: But if people don't question a persons view how is a person supposed to see other viewpoints? You've never tried to see or understand anyone elses point of view
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Kids growing up in a gay enviroment
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I don't see any problem with it. I mean, gay people are just people. I have issues with parents who are dug or alchohol addicts, or abusive, or neglect their children. Two moms or dads? Whatever. They'll be raised a little differently, but nothing damaging. Who knows, maybe they'll even learn about accepting others. In my ideal society it wouldn't make people blink an eye.
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>Um Not everyone.. my parents don't really have a say as to what I believe.. we've never really talked about homosexuality
Maybe not your parents, but you have let religion influence your opinion, you made that clear many times before. In all honesty Steph, what makes gay people any different that straight people? Nothing.
And there is nothing wrong with having faith; I am a Christian myself. But I think people lost focus that religion is about tolerance and loving everyone, not about judging and hate.
>You've never tried to see or understand anyone elses point of view
That's a rather broad statement, especially since I see and understand everyone's point of view. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't understand it. My main problem are people who say they have an opinion about something but never give a reason other than "because".
I also have issues with people judging others without even getting a chance to know them or understand anything about them. Most people who are homophobic or against the gay lifestyle (though no difference if you ask me lol) fear gay people because they have never truly interacted with gay people or got to really know and understand homosexuals. I think if people would really take the time to understand us, people would realize we are just as normal (though what's really normal anymore lol) as everyone else. I mean does who we love and whom we have sex with matter that much to people? Does that really make us WHO we are? No, of course not. I still stand by if people would just mind their own business and don't have the need to nosey into other peoples personal business/life things would run much smoother.
And Steph this actually wasn't a direct statement at you as it was more a statement for everyone.
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I honestly think you take it a bit too far when you talk to people about homosexuality. Why can't you just let it be.. I know it brings you down.. *that wasnt supposed to sound mean*.. why bring yourself down? Why don't you just be happy with who you are? Why can't you just let people believe what they believe.. if you weren't christian I would never say anything to you to try to presure you into believing in what I believe in.. I would never call you.. say a satanist.. and get my groupies to try to force you into seeing what I see.. Never..
I'm not even homophobic.. I have NO problem with gay people.. I have no problem with people who arent religious.. there was a time in my life where i was so against god.. so against his beliefs.. I couldnt understand how he could let me and my family and friends go through so much pain by taking the people we love out of our lives.. *Most of you who've been here for awhile know how much* .. I was against anything involving god.. Now, I thank him so much for helping me grow into the person I've become.. for helping me through the experiences Ive been through.. for allowing me to still live when all I've wanted to do was die.
People who don't support what you believe in arent homophobic.. There are soo many ways to talk about that.. I just can't get into it right now.. it's study time :confused:
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>People who don't support what you believe in arent homophobic
That wasn't what I was trying to say at all. But people that fear gay people are homophobic, hence the term homophobia. And I am not even saying you are homophobic yourself, just saying I don't understand why you are against homosexuals only because you never really express why, that's all I am trying to say. Again my main issues are people who say they are against something but have nothing to back up the reason why they dislike it.
>I honestly think you take it a bit too far when you talk to people about homosexuality
How so? Because I state the trust and don't sugar coat it? I think people are just nervous to talk about it period, so people think people get "carried away". And when I talk about homosexuality I am not fiery, I am actually pretty calm and collective.
>Why can't you just let it be.. I know it brings you down.. *that wasnt supposed to sound mean*.. why bring yourself down? Why don't you just be happy with who you are? Why can't you just let people believe what they believe..
If it were that easy Steph, I'd be on the train. But it's not. Because how other people believe it affects my life drectly. Because how other people believe I cannot get married. Because of how other people believe, in many states I cannot adopt children. Because how other believe if anything critical happens to Adam and he's in the hospital I have no rights to be by his side while he's on his death bed. So not to ramble more, because how other people believe it does affect people like me more than more people realize. And trust me the list is many.
As for me being happy with myself... I am!! :grin: I am very proud of myself, and the accomplishments I have made. I happy that I have someone who loves me unconditionally, no matter how fiery I can get lol. I have a beautiful home with two crazy ass dogs and some really great friends. So I am happy with myself, but that doesn't mean I should be allowed more and that I don't deserve more.
Another thing people get wrong is they think gay people are looking for special treatment, but far form the truth. We are just looking for equal treatment, which I don't think, is asking for too much.
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I'm not even homophobic.. I have NO problem with gay people.. Steph if thats true, then i suggest taking, 'Fag Bashing' out of your profile, people are bound to get the wrong idea, even if you wrote it as a joke or not.
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Why can't you just let it be
He probably cannot "let it be" because ignorant people like to send him hateful emails about his sexuality. *shrugs*
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where does it say fag hater? I dont even remember putting that there
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Im so ignorant because I get other peoples views pushed on meGet over it.. it doesnt even involve you.
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Actually, Angel said 'Fag Bashing'. Which in your profile it says 'Bashing Fags'. No where did she say fag hater.And how can someone push thier views on you over the Internet? You can't simply skip over his posts?
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Why should I have to skip over any post if it's directed towards me? When people push their views on me it just makes me frown upon it more.. how about those jehovah witnesses.. we all love how they push their beliefs on us
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Actually, I have a few Jehova's that come to my house every Saturday. I was raised catholic, but I still let them come around. They are really nice and have some beautiful books. Of course, I don't believe in thier religion and if they were truly bothering me I would ask them to go away or simply not answer my door. Kind of like not reading a post on here.
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Most people dont
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Okay I am sick of this shit.
Everyone stop. Right now. No more goddamn posts here. You may say it is healthy. Well some people take all this more to heart than others. So everyone quit it. The argument is nor more advanced than the first few posts. So take it to a different thread, and stop all the nit picking, supposed arguments....IT ENDS NOW...Just everyone stop.
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???????Are you a mod now?
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No Damien. And I do not need to be. I do not understand this. This argument is degrading. Do I need to get a mod to lock this thread? I just think we can all be adults and just, let it go...
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As Damien said you're not a mod Jon. If people take a discussion to heart that's their own issue. Everything I have said was not even close to harsh so shouldn't have gotten under anyones skin. A thread should not be locked because one ot two people take it to heart. Personally you are the only one getting radical in the post so maybe you just just ignore this thread.
It's call if you do like the content, than don't read the thread. There are threads I don't read or comment about because of the content. So yes you're right we are all adults.... know when to pick your "battles" and know when it best to be quiet.
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>Why should I have to skip over any post if it's directed towards me?
Other than Lisa and Angel, nothing here was ever truly directed at you. You had free right to to post or not post. You chose to post which is fine, but you cannot expect than because you dislike some information that it needs to be locked or go quiet.
I think this is a very good discussion and reading other peoples views is good for everyone, and who knows might enlight some people.
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You dont seem like a "fag basher" but if you were.. thats fine too
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You know you idiot...I was not fucking having a problem with the goddamn content.I only am saying that b/c some people will not pull out of damn thread, and they take shit to heart.Why not be a fucking adult and ignore the thread yourself? why is it always others that must do that?