Does god exist?

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Better off not replying, and maybe he'll go away.

Never, if this is how we have to prove it then its how we do it, do you think its fair that we killed of briliant ment cause they went against some myth, we are talking about the greatest men to live!

Steve, you're assuming (perhaps because of the people in your area) that fundamentalism is the normal form of Christianity. It isn't - it never has been. In my opinion it's on a par with (say) Arianism or Gnosticism or Manicheeism - beliefs that had many followers in their day, but were out of the mainstream. Modern fundamentalism probably only dates back to the nineteenth century.The beginning of Genesis contains not one, but two creation stories, one straight after the other. They are not literally consistent, because they were never intended to be. People in those days (and especially the Hebrews) didn't think abstractly - that's something we've learnt to do from the Greeks. Complex concepts were conveyed through story.There is no basis to assume that the Bible prescribes only two alternatives, Christian salvation or eternal torment. Paul even says somewhere (that I'll have to try to find) that other peoples will be judged according to their own standards. In the Old Testament there isn't even a clear view of an afterlife - Sheol is a rather shadowy place with very little life to it. In Jesus' day the Sadducees did not believe in an afterlife. Eternal life is usually contrasted in the Bible to death, not hell.I don't think that the chemical composition of cocaine has any relevance to a thread that is already painfully long to read. Total synthesis (that is, not from biological sources) of cocaine was first achieved by Willstätter in 1923. It's a long procedure, not economically viable. The world's cocaine comes from coca leaves - a New World plant, unknown to the Old World before Columbus. In any case cocaine is not a hallucinogen. If you want a potential hallucinogen the ergot fungus is more plausible, though I'm not sure it's found so far south. The Bible seems to know of no intoxicant except alcohol, and the overuse of alcohol is condemned.

oh no no no no THAT was too far

Blame the people who deserve it.The fundamentalist believers who accept the bible as the inerrant word of God, and who accept every word literally? You mean hispanicking and his ilk?

That was well said Ilegilbe but>>cocaine was first achieved by Willstätter in 1923it may be off topic but was it not acutally found back in 1830 by some natives, I thought they made it as an Elixer to relive the wounds of the soliders by not sniffing it but to apply the wound!

You prejudiced mother-f-er if it was freakin' possible to reach through the computer and kick your f-ing ignorant ass I would. Maybe it'll be the first damn time God approved of murder.

If you God will approve any murder then he/she is no god at all. Why cant we just stick with like the Greek Gods or even the Aztec ones.

oh so you think by exterminating a whole body of people for their belief will be any better? jeez you're sick Hitler.

Well make a friggan' effort and specify who your talking about.

You need to learn 16th Century History, what about the christian who killed way more then Hitler killed, All for not beliving in 1 little simple myth.

oh really? what's his name, Stalin?

Here."Pure cocaine was first extracted and identified in the mid-1800's and was introduced as a tonic / elixir to treat a wide variety of real or imagined illnesses. Later, it was used as a local anesthetic in eye, nose, and throat surgeries. Its more famous 19th century proponents included the psychiatrist Sigmund Freud, who described it as a "magical drug" with the ability to ease the symptoms of depression, alcoholism, and morphine addiction. To the disdain of Dr. Watson, Sherlock Holmes made frequent use of cocaine's apparent ability to increase mental powers and reduce fatigue. Until the turn of the century, cocaine could even be found in Coca-Cola. It was made illegal after World War I, except for medical purposes. Most of its therapeutic uses have since become obsolete with the advent of amphetamines and other synthetic drugs." http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/substnce/crack.htm

I ask everyone to cool down, and keep this thread free of invective. Perhaps this thread is now too long and too repetitious to be useful?

Not everybody's perfect. All religions have a horrible history, so don't single out just the Christians. The same goes for any religion.

Steve, you're assuming (perhaps because of the people in your area) that fundamentalism is the normal form of Christianity. Fair enough, but your beliefs certainly don't reflect those of the Southern Baptists and many other sects in the deep South. You are not fundamentlist; they are. In fact, a suprisingly large percentage of the U.S. population is. Many Americans believe that those who don't accept Christ as their personal savior are condemned.When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale; the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place ...- Revelation 6:12-14> too repetitiousBy its very nature.

This thread is useless. All that it's being used for anymore is religious discrimination and personal attacks.

I dont think any other religion killed others for Herecy as much as they did. King Henry 5 fought agaist the christians cause they murdered the little babies since they fought of them as witches, He narroly escaped the battle of Agincourt! What about Queen Isabella!? Do people really think these people never did anything bad cause they are christian. She killed so many jew in 1412, much more then Hitler!

FYI I was calling you Hitler and Stalin because you're in the same mindset. Why would you even say something like that? Millions and millions of people have died for what they believe in including God. Everyday you hear on tv a kid who was shot by an assassin for being a believer. You're "kill all christians" statement was worse than steve's "jesus can kiss my *ss" statement. That was rude and uncalled for. You're the one showing so much hostility and frankly you need to stop. I am a Christian, I think lee and pink are too and hearing something like that not only brings anger but fear and history wanted to be forgotten. Stop taking it so far.

Have you ever heard of Al Qaeda, they were Muslim terrorists! And that was five Goddamn years ago. Yet I don't walk around and blame every muslim I cross paths with.