Putin nuclear threat

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Can't we stand up to Bush in the polls rather with nukes? Surely he's getting voted out next election?

He'll be out because it's his last term, as stated by the Constitution, but if you honestly think the people elected to high office aren't bought and paid for, then you're insane. The people you elect now-a-days are NOT here to represent us, rather their pocket books. The 2006 senate elections BEYOND proved that.Edit: And I'd love to think that any threat Less then Lethal would get through their fat heads, and agenda pushing pocket books.

Im no longer locked into caps only and I want you to read something.... "Will the Democrats please stop running for president and begin the work we elected them to do" Will the Democrats please stop running for president and begin the work we elected them to do. We gave the Democrats a majority in both houses of Congress because we're sick of the war. We don't need non binding resolutions signaling our displeasure. We need binding resolutions demanding the withdrawal of our troops, and we need it now, before we waste another three thousand lives and three hundred billion dollars of our grandchildren's money. Shut the fuck up Hillary. You can't win and your mere presence on a ticket will raise untold millions for some right wing dumb ass. You are a crafty politician and we need you to remain in the Senate where you can do some good. Ted Kennedy won't last forever. Obama, you sound like you could be an actual leader, something we haven't seen since JFK, but you're not ready. And even if you were, you and Hillary have work to do. You have to get us out of this war now. A Democratic candidate with integrity would right now be busting ass to change the status quo and putting the presidential race off until next year. If you're all too busy chasing the limelight to get any work done, do you think any of us will want to send you to the White House? And if you lose control of Congress, will it matter if you gain the presidency? It was written by James McMurtry, song writer extrodanaire.I think its an important comment on the 2006 elections.Most of his songs are jsut great songs but hes recently written a protest song:McMurtry is making the rough mix of "God Bless America" available for free on his website, jamesmcmurtry.com. "I had meant to wait until I was finished overdubbing before putting this song out, but our brave legislators have once again outdone themselves in their acquiescence to the executive by passing the detainee bill," said McMurtry. "We refer to foreign governments that employ all-powerful executive branches as dictatorships, but we're still supposed to think of our own government as democratic. I'm appalled at the spinelessness of Republican legislators. I guess they still think they'll be invited to the feast. They will be, but only if they continue to watch their mouths." Described by Steven King as "the truest, fiercest songwriter of his generation," James McMurtry is the son of acclaimed author Larry McMurtry (Lonesome Dove, Terms of Endearment).You can listen to another song "We Cant Make it Here" as well as "God Bless America"(streaming media) @ http://www.myspace.com/jamesmcmurtry .The lyrics follow: "We Can't Make it Here" Vietnam Vet with a cardboard signSitting there by the left turn lineFlag on the wheelchair flapping in the breezeOne leg missing, both hands freeNo one's paying much mind to himThe V.A. budget's stretched so thinAnd there's more comin' home from the Mideast warWe can't make it here anymoreThat big ol' building was the textile millIt fed our kids and it paid our billsBut they turned us out and they closed the doorsWe can't make it here anymoreSee all those pallets piled up on the loading dockThey're just gonna set there till they rot'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to packJust busted concrete and rusted tracksEmpty storefronts around the squareThere's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhereYou don't come down here 'less you're looking to scoreWe can't make it here anymoreThe bar's still open but man it's slowThe tip jar's light and the register's lowThe bartender don't have much to sayThe regular crowd gets thinner each daySome have maxed out all their credit cardsSome are working two jobs and living in carsMinimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drinkIf you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEOSee how far 5.15 an hour will goTake a part time job at one of your storesBet you can't make it here anymoreHigh school girl with a bourgeois dreamJust like the pictures in the magazineShe found on the floor of the laundromatA woman with kids can forget all thatIf she comes up pregnant what'll she doForget the career, forget about schoolCan she live on faith? live on hope?High on Jesus or hooked on dopeWhen it's way too late to just say noYou can't make it here anymoreNow I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart storeJust like the ones we made before'Cept this one came from SingaporeI guess we can't make it here anymoreShould I hate a people for the shade of their skinOr the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm inShould I hate 'em for having our jobs todayNo I hate the men sent the jobs awayI can see them all now, they haunt my dreamsAll lily white and squeaky cleanThey've never known want, they'll never know needTheir sh@# don't stink and their kids won't bleedTheir kids won't bleed in the da$% little warAnd we can't make it here anymoreWill work for foodWill die for oilWill kill for power and to us the spoilsThe billionaires get to pay less taxThe working poor get to fall through the cracksLet 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cakeLet 'em eat sh$%, whatever it takesThey can join the Air Force, or join the CorpsIf they can't make it here anymoreAnd that's how it isThat's what we gotIf the president wants to admit it or notYou can read it in the paperRead it on the wallHear it on the windIf you're listening at allGet out of that limoLook us in the eyeCall us on the cell phoneTell us all whyIn Dayton, OhioOr Portland, MaineOr a cotton gin out on the great high plainsThat's done closed down along with the schoolAnd the hospital and the swimming poolDust devils dance in the noonday heatThere's rats in the alleyAnd trash in the streetGang graffiti on a boxcar doorWe can't make it here anymore and "God Bless America "Look yonder comin', mercy meThree wise men in a SUVCorporate logo on the sideAir-conditioned quiet rideThat thing don't run on french fry greaseThat thing don't run on love and peaceTakes gasoline make that thing goNow bring your hands up nice and slowTake us to the land of milk and honeySing and dance all night longWhatcha gonna do with all that moneyWhatcha gonna do when that money's all goneNegotiation's just no funAnd it don't serve our interests noneGonna turn up the heat till it comes to a boilSo we can go get that Arab oilAnd we'll suck it all up through the barrel of a gunEveryday's the end of days for someRepublicans don't cut and runTell me ain't you proud of what we've doneTake us to the land of milk and honeySing and dance all night longWhatcha gonna do with all that moneyWhatcha gonna do when that money's all goneYou keep talking that shit like I never heardHush, little President, don't say a wordWhen the rapture comes and the angels singGod's gonna buy you a diamond ringTake us to the land of milk and honeySing and dance all night longWhatcha gonna do with all that moneyWhatcha gonna do when that money's all gone

I think a Freshman Senator is exactly what would do well, he hasn't been in it long enough to be completely corrupt, and actually has STRAIGHT ANSWERS for things. Obama is the closest america will have had to a real leader in god knows how long.

I'm with you. I really like Obama.

He doesnt think so either, he thinks they shoudl stop running for president all the rfucking time and work on fixing the shit we elected them to do.he thinks obama could be a leader one day and one day maybe a great president, but for now he needs to concentrate on doing what he was elected to do in his current position.America is nto ready for a woman president, her presence is nothing more than distracting. This country will never elect a woman to that post, not at this time in history.

See Damien.
See Damien bite his tongue.
See Damien bite his tongue and walk away from this thread.

See, I can do it!
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Awh man, I was waiting for you to comment :P You're the last fun person on here to debate with, (chance, you don't count, we agree too much).

How about that Ron Paul? He doesn't seem too bad.

See Java, that's why I love you...and this board. You know that debating can be fun. Big low level arousal but not horny smooches for you!Of course it's no secret that I would disagree with you on the President and the war in Iraq and all that, so that would actually be boring. No sense going there.But I think I also disagree on what it seems you are saying about Putin. I think, from what I've seen of this man over the past couple of years, he's just looking for an excuse to revert back in time about 50 years. I don't think he actually wants to deploy any warheads or anything like that. I also don't think he really believes we have any intention of placing his country in harm's way. He's just rattling his saber. Kind of like he's wanting to start a little pissing contest. Thing is, the weaponry to which he is referring is defensive technology placed to defend Europe. No threat to Russia at all. So to respond to that with threats of bombing Europe...there's about as much logic to that as there is to some of the wild goings on I hear from messed up teenagers.But I believe it will all sort of peter out in a couple of days. There's no real threat to anyone and I think both sides understand that and, despite the rhetoric, want to keep it that way.Is that contentious enough for you?!?

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousHow about that Ron Paul? He doesn't seem too bad. He cracks me up.Looks like he can't tell the difference between an elephant and a donkey.

He's in a sense just like the North Korea guy (Can never remember his name). Or a three year old boy that won't stop running around the house with no pants, okay, we see your penis, now go put your pants back on. (or Bob... :D)I mean, I kind of lost a ton of respect for Putin when he got all angry that he thought Gollum looked too similar to him, and this seems to... be a call saying "Hey! Hey! Look at us!" While distracting, and completely nonthreatening in reality, it's still a reminder that America isn't the only one with Big Red Buttons.

Nahh...let Bob keep his pants off. We need the laugh.I never heart that about Putin and Gollum. That's a hoot!Speaking of Big Red Button, I finally got to see "Dr. Strangelove, Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" recently. Funny in parts, but overall disappointing.I think the fewer whack jobs with big red buttons, the better!

The great part about Dr. Strangelove, was George C. Scott...he made that movie. Peter Sellers is a bit of an over actor for my taste.

Thing is, the weaponry to which he is referring is defensive technology placed to defend Europe. No threat to Russia at all. So to respond to that with threats of bombing Europe...there's about as much logic to that as there is to some of the wild goings on I hear from messed up teenagers. There's such a thing as a balance of power. If there is a shield through which you can't penetrate, but you don't have the same, then you are at a disadvantage.

I still think that Putin and Bush are actually working together on this. After this, America can put their defensive weapons where they want cause now nobody can say that Europe hasn't been threatened with missile attacks.Those clever bastards, Gollum and Smeagol... Oh crap, I dropped my pants. Look everybody!!

lets see, you biting your tounge because of the republican ties you want to remain, or because I said we are a bunch of redneck hill billy buttfuckers who wont elect a woman or a black man?tell me Im wrong, tell me we would, then look around you, especially where your at, and tell me that either of them has a chance to be elected just in your stae let alone the whole country.if its the republican part, you and I have had that argument to many times, neither of us will change the others mind and we cna jsut skip it all.

no wait! I have to go to Europe first before you guys are attacked! I want me a lil European man. Preferrably Scottish... or Italian. who knows. lol jk

Or Irish, go Irish! We have small willies but we make up for it with our great hair!And Ireland may be the last surviving part of Europe if anything bad happens, nobody has any reason to attack us!

Switzerland would be the last remaining darlin' :wink: