Stop Fu***** Fighting!

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Ive seen alot of hate and fights here in the past month and im not liking it. I see threads taking way out of context and turned into huge arguments every week, i see people bashing each other, fighting, etc etc. You guys are all adults so start acting like it. Ive seen enough of this to make a thread about it. This is a place where everyone needs to feel secure and safe, and they need to feel like they can come here and not be bashed, because incase you didnt notice the people who post here generally have PROBLEMS.

We are here to help and support each other through hard times, answer question to the best of our knowledge and help one and another. We are not here to fight and bicker and bash, and i dont like seeing it. This place is going to hell and it needs to stop seriously. Its making for a bad environment, and its making me have second thoughts about a place ive called home for 6 years.

I dont want any part of this place if its going to continue in this direction. I love this place and i love alot of the people here but the fighting HAS TO STOP, or im packing my bags and heading out the door. Some of you may say "Oh well who gives a fuck" and you know what i have to say? "Thats exactly the kind of attitude thats making this place go downhill" (and turning it into this bad environment)

Please listen to my and to to control yourselves and not fight in public. Take ur little arguements to private messages or AIM or something, not where new people or anyone is going to read and go "Wow everyone here just hates on each other, i'll go get help elsewhere"

Mmm, I agree. I haven't been on this site long, but I've seen quite a few people's opinions suppressed and disregarded as foolish sometimes. I spose this is kinda holding me back from asking some personal questions on this site. It would be good, as MMAfighter said, if people would just get along and help each other like this site is intended for :smile:

It went to hell over year ago too.. I wonder why it's happening again?

I hadn't noticed any difference

I KNOW! I KNOW! raises hand emphatically PICK ME! PICK ME! is it because theres actually people behind these screennames and not autonomous drones? is it? is it?to the OP: dude, its called human emotion, something ya gotta deal with in this world, of course people are going to fight every once in awhile if theyre allowed to express their opinion, either someone just gradually gets sick of a certain persons choice of words or general tone or something shitty happens in their life and theyre just plain frustrated and it blows up from there. no biggie.

Heh heh.

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You guys are all adults so start acting like it. not so true. many are just kids...well teens. not all are adults. dk why an adult wants to get into a argument with some kid but. it's really none of my business hat they do.

yea i guess you can say i'm being a smart ass. i just wanted to point out a lot of these arguments (fights) involve teen.

Honestly it's never going to stop. Get used to it (don't read it) or move on.. I stopped letting it bug me. Well it never did bug me until I got personally involved. So I've had to keep my ass out of shit.

I really don't think anyplace will be with out it. It's everyplace!

yea...i should have kept my ass out of this one too!

I think part of the problem is when people won't let an argument go, and still keep trying to get someone else to say he was wrong and they were right, which is nearly always a forlorn hope.

I understand people have human emotions, and you dont have to be a smartass with your first sentence. Sorry if im starting to seem angry but i am and i dont appreciate sarcasm right now. Usually i am very helpful and keep my cool but today im speaking.Its called self control. When your at work and a customer is rude to you do you lash out and go FUCK YOU, YOU PEICE OF SHIT! GP BUY FOOD SOMEWHERE ELSE!. No, you dont. You keep your cool and help resolve their problem until they are satisfied. If i lost my cool at work like that i would be fired plain and simple, as it would look horrible for my restaurant. There has been a million times where ive wanted to knock the shit out of a snobby customer but i keep my cool and attend to their needs and if someone is REALLY bothering me i tell me boss, same concept on these boards.This is a place for help and like i said people need to feel safe and secure. Keep your cool and dont lash out like a 10 year old. If someone is really bothering you take it to a PM or call up a mod, just like at work. It looks bad for the site to see people always bickering at each other. Just because you had a bad day at work and you spilled your coffe and ur car ran out of gas doesnt mean you come here and start taking it out on innocent board members, or a member that happened to say something that lit ur flame.And to CR125 you mentioned alot of the fights are with teens and what not. Most the recent fights (2weeks-1month) have been with adults, i will not name them but they were all adults except for ONE. So yes it is adults and yes they do need to learn to act like it.

Telling a person to stop arguing is like trying to stop the Earth from spinning. It's not going to happen.Of course, I believe we can all get a along. But I truly doubt we will all be joining hands and singing campfire songs.People are always going to clash, one way or another. It's simple human behavior. You can't prevent it, and arguing about it only adds more fuel to the fire.You say self-control, but do you really think it's that easy for some who feel like they should say something?I open my mouth when I feel like I should say something, not because I enjoy causing strife.ADDED: By the way, was it self-control that called Dan a smartass?See, it's human nature. No big deal.

Yeah, I don't get that either.People don't have to be afraid of this place because it's common sense: just don't start something that is going to piss people off for sure.Can I offer you a s'more?

Thank you A.W. im glad my point got through to you. Star im not asking for everyone to join hands and start skipping around with each other. But your not understanding my point. Its ok to make a point and have a discussion with 1 side agreeing and the other not thats natural, its not ok for full blown fights to start happening. I asked him not to be a smartass in this thread because its obvious this isnt the thread for it and im not in the mood for it. And you say you speak your mind when you need to, but your reply to Dantek was "Hee Hee", was that really necessary? Did it add anything useful to the thread? No it didnt, i think it was pointless. And for someone that only speaks when they need to you sure have a bunch of unnecessary little "smart" comments in alot of your post. Not just with me but ive seen you do it before.

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Its ok to make a point and have a discussion with 1 side agreeing and the other not thats natural, its not ok for full blown fights to start happening.
But it happens. What can we do? Unless it gets REALLY ugly, then I suppose the Admins and Mods will do their jobs.
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And you say you speak your mind when you need to, but your reply to Dantek was "Hee Hee", was that really necessary?
Now now, you should know better than that. I was replying to Mr. U. Read more carefully please.
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And for someone that only speaks when they need to you sure have a bunch of unnecessary little "smart" comments in alot of your post. Not just with me but ive seen you do it before.
Oh? Well, what can I say? That's just me, but I know that not all my posts are pure sarcasm and silliness.

It's a forlorn hope to expect someone who disagrees with you to say they were wrong and you were right. (Think about in what proportion of arguments you have said you were wrong and the other person was right.) I don't think the reason is just that people are stubborn and too proud to admit being wrong (though we certainly often are); but also often there are reasons for each side's views that aren't being addressed; or simply that changing one's mind takes time.

The biggest problem occurs when two people are each determined to make the other side admit defeat. It simply won't happen, and the argument goes on and on, sucking other people into it. If having said one's piece, one moves on and leaves it to time for the seed to germinate, one's dignity would be preserved and the board would be happier.

If we have to ban people for not letting arguments go, we'll have to be fair and ban all those who won't let an argument go.

Originally Posted By: MMAfighter90 i will not name them but they were all adults except for ONE. I have a feeling that one is me. I just got pissed off with HCl and I shouldn't have posted the stuff that I did. I just hate constantly being degraded by older people. Especially ones who are less than 10 years older. I don't know the ages of all of you, but I would assume most are under the age of 40. Just because your 25 doesn't make you a wise sage that everyone should respect and agree with everything they say. If someone says something that openly attacks my position, I'm going to defend it until the other person gives up. That's just me, I wouldn't call it fighting until you start insulting eachother. But I haven't openly insulted someone unless the person had insulted me first or degraded me. You say you want to protect the good nature of this website, but it really starts with the mods and older members. If a first time poster sees a longstanding member going off on someone, they probably will change their mind about posting an important question they have. Frankly, I would not wanna be that person who has to keep their mouth shut for fear of being insulted.

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or plain believing the wrong information
If, after you have presented what you believe to be the right information, someone else doesn't believe you and believes differently, there's nothing more you can usefully do. You have said your piece; your information is there to be seen; the OP is free to accept it or not, and that is his/her responsibility.

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it does show him continuing to argue that I am wrong.

Who, in whatever mood, is going to put up with that?
That's precisely what I'm calling on everyone here to put up with. If you can't, you shouldn't be here, IMO; because when there are two people with that attitude, the arguing will never end.

Well the only thing I've really lost is self-confidence.

I tried to post what in my mind was the best things I could conjure up. I mean it's tough for a 15 year old to keep a good argument with 30 year olds who have been through a lot more. But I do my best. It just doesn't help when people like HCl and Virtual Star come and start picking apart everything I say and then make it impossible for me to defend myself. It's like they come on, pick apart the flaws in my logic, and then close themselves off to anything else I have to say.

I'm still asking for respect and I'm still not getting it. Ineligble and Rad are probably the two people on the board that have been really helpful to me and I've learned a lot from, but there's still more people who I wish would stop being asses. I understand everyone has those days where you take out your anger on someone, but the stuff I'm getting degraded for isn't even from anger, it's from disrespect. You (Virtual Star, HCl, Dantek, and bobalicious) make it out like I'm this Christian bigot. I think everyone except for Rad and Ineligble have the complete wrong impression of me.

Sure I'm a Christian and yes I'll defend my faith to the death, but I'm in no way a bigot. I'm not utterly intolerant. I'm somewhat intolerant to atheists, but atheists are also somewhat intolerant to me. I'd love to discuss beliefs with other religions. Atheists find joy in degrading God, which doesn't fly with too many people including me, so of course I'm going to get a little annoyed when someone makes a post saying "God is a stupid, lying hypocrite." I'm also far from arrogant. I may appear that way to some from some of my posts, but it's simply not true. I try to keep myself open to other opinions and respond to them the best I can.

Quote:It just doesn't help when people like HCl and Virtual Star come and start picking apart everything I say and then make it impossible for me to defend myself.What do you mean "impossible"? If you truly believe in whatever it is you believe, why are you going to have trouble, or even get a bit bothered that people, like myself, are going to ask you questions? You wanted to have a discussion and when you didn't like what I was asking, you leave in a huff, or so it seemed. Quote:Sure I'm a Christian and yes I'll defend my faith to the death, but I'm in no way a bigot. I'm not utterly intolerant. I'm somewhat intolerant to atheists, but atheists are also somewhat intolerant to me.I suppose I "pick apart" your logic because it's when you say stuff like this that makes me wonder.Perhaps, if you don't go looking for a fight when it comes to religion, then maybe we can get along better. Quote:Atheists find joy in degrading God, which doesn't fly with too many people including me, so of course I'm going to get a little annoyed when someone makes a post saying "God is a stupid, lying hypocrite."But not a single person said this. Again, why are you looking for trouble?

Oops, forgot one more thing:If you want respect, then why don't you show some respect first by not being so condensending to people who don't follow a particular faith?That's the attitude I got from out last discussion.

I never came looking for a fight. At least the fight I was intending was going to keep to religion, not end up in insults being hurled at one another. The first discussion on religion I started getting compared to fuckin malcom in the middle so I left.

You and HCl made it impossible by just grazing over my posts and not reading them in full. Then you jumped on me and I could tell you hadn't read it all.

And I was using an example when used that quote. No one said it.