What Happened When I Legally Exposed My Breasts...

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Originally Posted By: JapanFan14
Good for her. There's that stupid false mentality that women can't do what men can.
If you take a natural male and a natural female (ie, NOT using artificial hormones and surgeries) then the simple truth men and women are physically and mentally different. Can men give birth? Can women produce spermatozoa? Can men feed a baby with their breasts? Can women on average lift the same amount of weight a man can?
We are built and function differently. Additionally whether you like it or not society sexualizes many things because reproduction is our most important function in our DNA. As creatures we are designed around surviving and breeding. Even tribes and cultures that see breasts all the time know that there is sexual attraction to them. It becomes a direct comparison. A feature to analyze when choosing a mate. We just happen to look at them through clothes, where women use crafty techniques such as push-up and padding to make them appear to have more than they really do.
Personally, I wouldn't be with a woman that took her top off in public. It's not my thing. I won't bother justifying it. There's too many women out there not to be selective, and that would certainly be a deal breaker for me :smile:

So if you went on vacation to Europe where topless is quite normal, and your GF took her top off, you would break up with her? Interesting & sad.

he would probably fear that he was losing absolute control over her body and her will

It's nothing like that at all Breasts are for feeding, but also are wired into male minds as an object aiding in sexual attraction.Ass cheeks cushion our falls, and our sitting, but also are wired into both male and female minds as an object aiding in sexual attraction.The penis is used for urination, but also in copulation.Likewise the vagina is used for urination, but also in copulation.These parts of the body are all equal in the fact they have a place in both sexual attraction and function. If you believe in toplessness, I take it you also believe in nudism in general. Which that's fine, I don't judge anyone. I just personally am not interested in nudism. As such I'm not interested in toplessness. I wouldn't be interested in a girl that did such things anyways.There is no wrong or right in the matter. Like anything else its a simple preference The nudist girls wouldn't want anything to do with a boring guy like me anyways :PI'm sorry if it doesn't meet your expectations though. I suppose if I cracked a whip and punched a girl in the teeth I would look the part more? roflmao

Don't forget lips and eyes and face structure. They're three of the most important features for determining attractiveness.

Originally Posted By: rune-sanIf you believe in toplessness, I take it you also believe in nudism in general. Which that's fine, I don't judge anyone. I just personally am not interested in nudism. As such I'm not interested in toplessness. I wouldn't be interested in a girl that did such things anyways.After college I went to Europe for an extended period. There I experienced "topless" sunbathing. At first I was kind of shocked and uncomfortable when chatting with someone who was topless... After a short while, it all became mundane and normal. Topless is not exactly nudism. The fact that you can not disassociate the sexuality of going topless is unfortunate and is very typical of American mentality.

Originally Posted By: sdp

Originally Posted By: rune-san

If you believe in toplessness, I take it you also believe in nudism in general. Which that's fine, I don't judge anyone. I just personally am not interested in nudism. As such I'm not interested in toplessness. I wouldn't be interested in a girl that did such things anyways.

After college I went to Europe for an extended period. There I experienced "topless" sunbathing. At first I was kind of shocked and uncomfortable when chatting with someone who was topless... After a short while, it all became mundane and normal.

Topless is not exactly nudism. The fact that you can not disassociate the sexuality of going topless is unfortunate and is very typical of American mentality.

I knew a girl last semester on this college campus that would go swimming topless or completely nude several nights a week in the campus lake. I would talk to her on the beach short for several hours at a time. We became great friends for the semester it lasted. I never even blinked at the fact she was nude. I didn't care. It never bothered me. Sure I noticed she was a very attractive woman (again, from the aspects of her body that provide both some key function while doubling as an object of sexuality). I would never be able to love such a woman though, simply because I don't feel I could be with such a person. I have no problem with her as a person. That's acceptance. Something that you seem to lack.

I explained why toplessness and nudism are indeed identical. The fact that you can not bother to explain why I am not correct is unfortunate and is very typical of someone who demeans others because they disagree with other people's beliefs.

I'm not sure why some people think that in a utopia no one feels any sexuality from the human body. I thought Puritans were people that taught that sort of thing. Like you're a naughty little boy to be turned on by a boob! XD

Originally Posted By: rune-sanI knew a girl last semester on this college campus that would go swimming topless or completely nude several nights a week in the campus lake. I would talk to her on the beach short for several hours at a time. We became great friends for the semester it lasted. I never even blinked at the fact she was nude. I didn't care. It never bothered me. Originally Posted By: rune-sanPersonally, I wouldn't be with a woman that took her top off in public. It's not my thing. I won't bother justifying it. There's too many women out there not to be selective, and that would certainly be a deal breaker for me Please clarify because I see a bit of a contradiction. You have no problem with talking to a friend of yours who's nude, and yet, you still have a problem with a female who goes topless in a public place?Like sdp said, would you have a problem with your girlfriend if she went to a topless beach just to sun bathe, or would you break up with her? How is that justified?I don't understand how you have no problem with your female friend but still believe (whatever your reason is) that being topless is a deal breaker for you.

Originally Posted By: Virtual_Star Originally Posted By: rune-sanI knew a girl last semester on this college campus that would go swimming topless or completely nude several nights a week in the campus lake. I would talk to her on the beach short for several hours at a time. We became great friends for the semester it lasted. I never even blinked at the fact she was nude. I didn't care. It never bothered me. Originally Posted By: rune-sanPersonally, I wouldn't be with a woman that took her top off in public. It's not my thing. I won't bother justifying it. There's too many women out there not to be selective, and that would certainly be a deal breaker for me Please clarify because I see a bit of a contradiction. You have no problem with talking to a friend of yours who's nude, and yet, you still have a problem with a female who goes topless in a public place?Like sdp said, would you have a problem with your girlfriend if she went to a topless beach just to sun bathe, or would you break up with her? How is that justified?I don't understand how you have no problem with your female friend but still believe (whatever your reason is) that being topless is a deal breaker for you. Because I differentiate a friend from a someone who is a life-long partner. And I hold that person to much higher standards. I have no say over my friends. Friends come and go. If she wants to be topless that's fine. I don't knock anyone for their beliefs or habits. NO ONE.My girlfriend / wife though, I wouldn't want her doing that. Again, I don't debase her, demoralize her, criticize her, or anything of the sort. But I don't want a partner that does that. I don't believe in it and one of the requirements for having a partner is having as many shared beliefs as possible.Is that more understandable? EDIT: BTW Star always meant to tell you that Death Note ended up being an awesome series to me. Dark at some points, but overall very enjoyable Kudos to the avatar.

Yes, thank you. And yes, Death Note = love.

Is it just the fact you dislike the thought of having a stranger see your partner naked/topless?

It might be. To be honest I never really gave that much thought to it. I have a twin brother and several male friends and they've all seen her bare breasts. We're all often naked around each other.Perhaps I like the close bond me and my friends share? Perhaps I like the aspect of control over the situation? Perhaps I don't like strangers seeing her breasts, other amenities? Perhaps I'm jealous of her attractiveness compared to my own?Those are thoughts that just crossed my mind that I haven't put any thought in. Point is I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you. The only think I do know is that in the time I've spend with nude strangers (only a few, but nontheless), I have determined that I wouldn't like the idea of my girlfriend / wife doing the same. Again, it's just the conclusion I came to. I never tried to justify it to myself which was why I said originally I wouldn't take the time to justify it. It's just how I feel about it. Millions of people believe Stephanie Meyer's works are inscriptions from God derived on holy papyrus. Others think her works are just books. Still others believe that are works are the works of hell, regurgitating mundane, sappy emotions into characters whose emotions are supposed to be either strong or nonexistent.Who's right? Who cares? There's no right answer to it. It's what they believe and that belief has no effect on anyone else unless they openly debase others for their own beliefs. Isn't that the issue here?

I lack acceptance? Hmmm OK.. whatever.Like I said, the fact that any nudity is assumed to go hand in hand with sexuality is very typical of the American mentality. That's why you have idiots who see a woman breast-feeding a child being asked to go to the bathroom.

Originally Posted By: sdpI lack acceptance? Hmmm OK.. whatever.Like I said, the fact that any nudity is assumed to go hand in hand with sexuality is very typical of the American mentality. That's why you have idiots who see a woman breast-feeding a child being asked to go to the bathroom. So are you saying that you believe that sexual attraction is only based on mental aspects, and any attraction to the human form is strictly an "American" ideal?I have no problem with women breast-feeding in public. The breasts are performing a very necessary function. Do I believe in taking off your top in public to get a tan on your boobs and nether regions? Not particularly If I felt I really needed to do that there are far more private ways I could go about doing it Nudists say they feel freer doing it, and I think that's pretty cool. I like being nude around my house :P

In some cultures just exposing your ankles is deemed as over-sexual. No wonder they look at American's and Europeans as sexually exploitive... I LOVE learning about ethnocentrism. AWESOMMMMEEEEEI also find it ironic that Americans tend to be the most ethnocentric...woah I just got it!Ok so usually Westerners will find the burqa as a symbol of oppression against women in the Middle East when really it's a sign of respect in their culture so as not to over-sexualize their females... but really Mid. Easterns think the women are sexually exploited over here because of the lack of covering and the representation and immodesty in the media... it starts to make sense.sorry I just unnecessarily discussed a class topic on a2a... =/

So are you saying that you believe that sexual attraction is only based on mental aspects, and any attraction to the human form is strictly an "American" ideal? Only?? No.. but mostly.. you're putting too much weight into "primal" instincts.Strictly? No.. but typical. That's why you have so much FCC sensoring and freakouts over a boob shot (remember a superbowl show?)

Originally Posted By: Virtual_StarSociety has nothing to do with natural human sexual behavior. Breasts are for indeed feeding our babies, but their secondary function is a sexual one. They gives us pleasure during intercourse. And it's a physical sign of attractiveness, no more different from our butts or legs or face. Again, we easily become attracted to someone who's physically appealing. Yes, maybe society demands hot people to be in our TV's, movies, and magazines but that's because it's only natural. I fully understand that objectifying is unfair, but you can't deny the fact you and everyone else in the world has drooled over a hot guy or girl at least once.This is why sex sells because it's in our DNA. You can sexualize a man topless just as easily as a woman so I don't see your point. How is it any different? That was the point the author was making, both of them can be sexualized but its much easier for a man to be topless then a woman.

Quote:Likewise the vagina is used for urination double check your anatomy textbookanyway, sexual attraction, emotional attraction, love, hate and repulsion are ALL in the mind.If women casually walked down the street naked every day, do you think anyone would give them a second look (other that the level of construction worker style leering they suffer already)?Do you think gynechologists and urologists get turned on all day long? Does your hot sister make you sweat?It's all in the mind and it has to do with perception and context.

I agree with you, which is why I said,

you can't deny the fact you and everyone else in the world has drooled over a hot guy or girl at least once

Clearly you misread what I posted since I never mentioned anything about a double standard. I know you can as easily objectify a man as well as woman.

Originally Posted By: unsupervised  Quote:Likewise the vagina is used for urination double check your anatomy textbook roflmao