Is anyone else an old school GOP hard-core conservative in here? I feel like a lot of people on here are athiest and liberals. A lot of my friends think i'm too interested in politics and the USA government. I cant help it, i see the world around me in a political view, such as on here. I know college will be hard because our universities are liberally bias but, does anyone feel as i do on here? I'm guessing this would be the right place to ask. Even if you're not like me, i'll accept your opinion, just no bashing .
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Wondering Conservative
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I'm a moderate conservative. I know I'm probably in the minority here. I guess due to the sexual nature of some of the subforums, the overall political leaning of this forum is probably pretty liberal. I am not religious (call me Agnostic, not an Athiest) however and I like sex (you might call me a pervert) so I do enjoy reading the posts here most of the time.Luckily, when I was in college, most of our professors didn't really preach their political beliefs (although it seemed like I had more grad students teaching than actual professors), but that is problably quite common now. I guess you just need to put on your BS filter and realize that just because someone gets paid to express their opinion, that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, (and some stink).I think it's important to be aware of what's going on in the world, whether your beliefs lean left or right. It's those that remain ignorant that I worry about.I must say though that even though there are a lot of younger people here, for the most part they seem pretty well educated, which isn't the norm at a few other boards I sometimes visit.For the most part though, I don't like to discuss politics on forums like this as the last thing I want to do is argue with a complete stranger. I come here to relax and have fun, not debate.
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What school do you go to?Of course, Clinton was President the whole time I was in college, so that's probably why I didn't hear too many professors criticising the administration (since most of them liked him).
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It's interesting how you conflate polical conservatism with religious belief. Is the confusion between religion and politics something unique to the U.S. and Middle Eastern religious dictatorships, like Iran and Saudi Arabia?Are there fewer conservatives teaching liberal arts at university (in the U.S.) than are represented in the population at large because of discrimination, or is it possible that political conservatives tend not to be attracted to the academic life? Should we have affirmative action for conservatives?In much of Western Europe people argue politics openly, and it doesn't get as ugly as it does in the U.S. And the average person in the street (or on the farm) tends to be pretty well informed, even if he has his own biases. But a right winger there would be like a Democrat here. A Rich Santorum would be on the far fringe.It's true that politics plays some part in most group interactions, but it's a mistake to see every relationship as a political one. Or are you confounding your political stance with your moral one?[P.S.: There was an interesting article in yesterday's paper about how there may be a large genetic component to where one falls on the political spectrum.][P.P.S.: I critiqued your marijuana-is-bad post before I came across this thread. No matter how much you believe in your ideology and your religion, you belief does not trump science. What is your position on the creationism-versus-science issue in public schools?]
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In reply to:Is the confusion between religion and politics something unique to the U.S. and Middle Eastern religious dictatorships, like Iran and Saudi Arabia?Here, the mainstream churches tend to the left, though a US-style right-wing church has been attracting a lot of numbers lately. However, the churches are not a strong political influence.From this distance, it seems that Americans are more politically polarised now that they ever used to be.
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Thanks everyone for your post, they all are intriging, some true, some i'm not so sure about. When i mentioned liberals and athiest, i didn't quite mean theres a relationship as the same with conservative and judeo-christians. As a catholic, i don't belive in restricting the personal rights of others, but to have an order in our civilization, whether its based on religion or not. I've got to go, i just wanted to squeeze this in, i'll talk more later.
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I think politics in the U.S. is nowhere near as bad as in other countries. I've seen on the news where in some Asian countries they sometimes have brawls in parliament, and a lot 3rd world countries, people get assasinated due to their political beliefs. One of my best friends is from Iran and the stories he tells me about the oppression over there is almost unfathomable. He and his family are not Muslim so they got discriminated against and his dad was put in prison for trying to run a business in Tehran (non-Muslims are apparently not allowed to). They sought asylum in the United States but still have family over there. He doubts he'll ever see them again unless they try to come over here, as he doesn't dare go back for fear of being killed. When you risk your life and the lives of your family to escape such a situation, it gives a greater appreciation for what we have here.Perception-wise, I don't know if politics here gets as ugly as it does in Europe, mainly because the American press likes to focus on the negative rather than the positive. Why? Because of ratings and money.
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yeah, i can imagine. Radical muslims are getting bad over there. Of course due to a certain political group in the US, we have to learn to unnnddderstand why islamofacist want to behead us infidels.
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It's interesting how you conflate polical conservatism with religious belief. Is the confusion between religion and politics something unique to the U.S. and Middle Eastern religious dictatorships, like Iran and Saudi Arabia?
Up to the late 70s and even early 80s the Catholic church was the dominent force in Ireland, they could influence the governments decisions to the extent that they prevented the legalisation of condoms and other birth control untill the early 90s! As stupid as it may seem, birth control actually had to be smuggled into the country! Well, it wasn't the sort of smuggling that meant shoving a box of 12 featherlights up your arse, just it was literally impossible to buy them here. People had to go to other countries to buy them, some even risked going up to the North which for the most part the last century has been a very dangerous place for anyone, especially Christians. Its only of late that the people have lost faith in the church, especially with the massive paedophilia scandal, and the government is finally making all of the decisions without ecumenical influence, the only bad part is they are adopting the American style of government, so its all money money money money money.
Sorry for the history lesson, but I'm the only person on this site to give little old Eire's view on the world.
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sure.... Liberals! lol
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I wish you could see me, I'm applauding you like crap here! Shite, just woke up the parents. I love speaches like that, they kick everyones asses!! You're No1!!!
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Inelgible> From this distance, it seems that Americans are more politically polarised now that they ever used to be.And getting more so every year. The middle ground has eroded substantially in the last 20 years or so...there's precious little left.Ineligible> However, the churches are not a strong political influence.Politicians of both parties in the U.S. have to invoke God regularly in order to appeal to a certain element of the American population that votes, eh, religiously. It would be considered quite out of place in Europe.What's weird about America is that people need to make big displays of their religious beliefs (you should see some of the churches and synagogues), as if they're showing off their piety, or are insecure in their beliefs.johndoe14> As a catholic, i don't belive in restricting the personal rights of others, but to have an order in our civilization, whether its based on religion or not.Not sure what being Catholic has to do with not wanting to restrict others' rights. Who gets to decide what the order should be? Should the majority be allowed to tyrranize the minority? The major problem I have with so-called American "conservatives" is that they're not conservative at all, in the libertarian sense. In fact, many folks on the far right are quite authoritarian. How would you classify the anti-sodomy laws that were in effect not too long ago, and were mainly used to victimize people? Liberal? "States rights" has been mainly used as a code phrase for "don't tell us we have to treat blacks equally". States are being hemmed in more and more by the current administration, when it perceives that the business interests that donate so much money to the GOP are being harmed.The people who get to make the rules always love the system...until they don't get to make the rules anymore. Arbitrary rules regarding personal behavior do nothing to advance civilization. They just raise the general level of unhappiness. (Are there any utilitarians out there?)johndoe14> yeah, i can imagine. Radical muslims are getting bad over there.And radical Chistians are getting bad over here. At least if you think evolution should be taught in the public schools as a scientifically-accepted idea.johndoe14> Of course due to a certain political group in the US, we have to learn to unnnddderstand why islamofacist want to behead us infidels.As opposed to what? Just vaporizing everyone in the Middle East? If you want to stop cancer, it's better to understand the cause rather than have people spend years on chemotherapy. The problem is that it does matter why people hate the U.S., or the U.S. government. There aren't enough body friskers at the airport to stop every terrorist who might want to enter the U.S. We can increase our safety by becoming a fascist state, or we can try to understand WTF is going on. Is that a liberal position?And why couldn't anyone convince (former Attorney General) John Ashcroft to take Al Qaida seriously? Was he just too liberal?
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The problem is that it does matter why people hate the U.S., or the U.S. government.
The problem is that the US Government controls some of the strongest media forces in the country, such as Fox (also known as Bush-AssLicking 24/7). They keep a lot of the American people ignorant of how the rest of the world views them. The American people have been seperated so much from the rest of the world that nowonder America is full of extremests. There is no outside forces strong enough to get through and show them what horrible stuff is going on all around them.
The American government uses its powers to get what it wants, they are the bullies of our planet. They ignored the UN vote and attacked Afghanastan and Iraq, any other country would probably have been expelled from the UN for that, they broke the treaty that every member country signed and absolutely nothing was done about it!
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I'm pretty sure that Fox isn't controled by the government. I believe that There are some new channels, even fox, that might have a share, or maybe even own another company. And in doing so, constantly advertise that buisness to help themselfs.I dont believe anyone should complain about fox AT ALL. Think about it, every other big new's channel is mainly to the far left. If you cant stand listening to the "crazy right wing extremists" or whatever you libs call them. Then just listen to one of the other millions of news channels. Honestly I dont know if i'm a republican or democrat. so i'll just post some of my opinions.- The idea of taxing welfare is insane.- Spreading democracy in the Middle east will weaken and lower the amount of terrorist centers- lowering taxes increases the flow and spending of money, which accually helps the economy. Will inturn, give the goverment more money- I care more about the rights of a victim then the rights of a criminal, Paying off judges and jury is sick and wrong- I think when women said they wanted to be treated like men, they ment they wanted the same job oportunities and freedoms as men. They didn't have in mind the fact they would accually be TREATED like men, with the cursing, butt slaping, wreslting, you know.- women and men who try too hard to be like the other cause problems for eachother. Men and women are different, the man can do things naturally that a women cant do as naturally and visa virsa. women can do things naturally that a man cant do as naturally - no real opinion on gay marrige, I would find is perfectly acceptable to call 2 men or 2 women living togeather a union, but not so much a 'holy matrimony'- If buisnesses stoped paying people mininum wage, there would be less homless people, and the government might not do spend as much welfare. Therefor, giving no one an exuse not to have a self providing lifestyle. WEll... that's pretty much it, i dont hate bush like 70 percent of my class, but i wish he would improove with his speaking skills, stop saying um... or studder between sentences. I personally dont hold it against him, he was a governer not a senator. but still he should work on his speaking skills.
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Missing out all the argument and in answer to the original post... I'm a pretty left-socialist, and have been known to agree with some of Marx on ocassion. But I am a member of the Labour Party, which in current times puts me somewhere near your arse-bugger George W Twat-Face Bush, far opposite from where I lie politically.
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- lowering taxes increases the flow and spending of money, which accually helps the economy. Will inturn, give the goverment more moneyNot totally true, the US economy is on it's legs whereas our economy is on the world stage and we have a relitively high-taxing government. Hell, we get near enough $2 for £1!! that's INSANE!!
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hee, you are right on. I have to say me and you would get along with politics. Also, tell me what other mainstream station is even moderately conservative other than fox.... i'll tell you, NO ONE. You liberals have:CNNMSNBCABCNBCCBSheadline newsand other non-news networks are all extremely left.For the rest of you, i can't change the way you think or what you believe you know on here. Go listen to your failing AirAmerica. i'd like to ask all of you one thing, what democratic senator thought Turbin Durbin wasn't wrong comparing G'itmo, where not one POW died to Death camps where 10 million people were slautered and tourtered, the gulogs where up to 20 million were killed and pul pot where 2 million cambodians were killed? I just don't see the comparison. I got to go. Later libs
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lol, you make me laugh you ignorant socialistic-commi
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first of all... taxes have nothing to do with the value of money. your european system is based on Grams of gold per dolar, In other words.If a country, lets say it's anatopia (lol) has 10000 grams of gold, and only 2 penies, each penie is worth 5000 grams of gold. in short, the value of money, is deturmined by the amount of gold, in compairson to the amount of dollars, penies euro dollars, w/e. This is why a country shouldn't print more money at a rate, faster then it's mining gold. Think about a monarcy, King whatever is hogging all the money for himself and the townspeople are poor, broke and starving. If that king started increasing the flow of money in his kingdom by lowering taxes, the entire kingdom would flurish. in conclusion, the only reason your money is twice as worth as ours is because of 3 reasons- you have less currency then us.- you have more gold then us.- you have less currency and more gold then us.IMPORTANT:IF THE US GOVERNMENT STARTED PRINTING MONEY LIKE CRAZY AND KEEPING IT ALL FOR ITSELF THEN THE MONEY THAT THE PEOPLE HAD WOULD BE WORTH LESS, PRICES WOULD GO UP AND NO ONE WOULD AFFORD ANYTHING. DOES IT MAKE SENSE NOW?I'm 12, but i'm smart and mature so i understand these consepts personally, i'm very strong with my political opinion, but i dont call myself a republican or a democrat. so you could call me a teddy roosavelt :PThe one thing i dont understand is sex, puberty, and masturbation. I'm to scared to ask my parents out of guilt and ebarrasement. so asking people who's faces i cannot see. seems like the most pratical method. ___________________________________________________________Accually, the whole idea of professors being liberal is a mystery. I have one theory about it that might be why professors, and teachers are so democratic liberal. most teachers and professors were young adults durring the vietnam war and the age of hippies. the vietnam war was indeed a waste of the united states time, and killed enormus masses of people COMPLETLY INCOMPARABLE TO THE CASSUALTIES OF THE CURRENT WAR WE'RE IN. this sadly brought people to the conclusion that all war is bad, no matter what.
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LOL, that post is rather amusing. Also wasn't Roosevelt a Democrat? I'm not an economist by any level but I'm sure that:"in conclusion, the only reason your money is twice as worth as ours is because of 3 reasons- you have less currency then us.- you have more gold then us.- you have less currency and more gold then us."Is wrong. Economics has a hell of a lot more to do with 3 set out reasons lol, plus the last is just re-iterating the previous two :P The economics of two different countries is dependent on a much wider variety of reasons than just the ammount of currency and gold. I suggest you go and study economics at Oxford :P
