Gay Marrage
That you keep attacking with people who disagree with you. Do really think no one notices?
Always with the 'I'm right, You're wrong' attitude. It's getting sick.
Maybe you should leave this thread, then people can actually learn from it! I can't even trust half the stuff you said in this.
The nature ofa debate is to attack the opponents side and tear down the half truths and outright lies.what about that dont you understand?Steves attack the ideas and foundations of thors arguments, when thors refused to answer on any given subject, he then attacked thors motives and ideals and called into question why he doesnt give an answer that fits the questions.I hope to fuck your never an attorney, Id feel sorry for any of your clients since you cant understand or embrace the very nature of debates.
In debates, they don't attack each other verbally! If lawyers tries to make another lawyer look stupid, its a misconduction.
I would highly recommend that you make a list of the specific claims I've made that you don't like, do some research on your own (you can look things up can't you?), and state why you disagree, with something to back up your opinions other than...nothing. Go ahead, show me I'm wrong. I'd be happy to learn from you, if you'd give me the opportunity.Even if you don't do it for the right reason (to learn something), but for the wrong reason (to show me up), it would be a fruitful exercise for you. Just think how cool it would be to prove me wrong, rather than hurling insults at me.As far as I can tell, the other posters to this thread who are not named thor disagree with you. Prove everyone wrong and add some new knowledge to this thread. We know that you can. (Don't we?)
Christ, you are now an offical idiot! Im not saying your wrong. Or anyone here is wrong. Did you not get what i was saying?Screw it. This threads too good to be tainted. I"ll add something once I can research more on it! Unlike you, people actually try to know the root of the problem!
When I was on trial for attempted murder and when I was in court a shorter while ago, my attorney constantly attacke the prosecution for bungling thru a investigation chastised the police for fucking it up and at the end the judge tossed it and then reprimanded the DA and the police involved for being inept and brash.At the child custodey hearings my attorney constantly attack hers questioning his intelligence in representing a woman and defending her when we had so much proof that she lied under oath and made shit up, they nearly shit when we called in witnesses and forced her parents on the stand and he then attacked all of them.I won both cases little boy.I hire high priced and ambitous attorneys. Thier skill is part of why I am where i am today instead of being ass raped, suckig cock and with out my children.Iv ive life, iv paid for life, dont bring 15 year old bullshit ideas to my fucking court, Im a grown up. Iv seen life and lived it. I know better.Care to now get back on topic and possibly contribute something to the DEBATE ffother then whining about steve an how unfair he is? or is that your only trick because we have seen it already, its old and stale. I suggest you get new material, or stop being the fucking forum clown.
So you have an issue with the form rather than the content? Great, then. Maybe we can suggest that thor address the content of the posts to which he responds (or chooses not to respond).
Would you like to comment on the content of the discussion, or are you just going to go on about the personalities involved, and how they communicate?
g\> I suggest you get new material, or stop being the fucking forum clown.
I think he just wants to whine.
Just stop adding things to this thread! Unless you can actually prove it. Thor doesn't seem to prove most of his, now has he? Have you? No!
Did you even say anything about gay marriage? Or did you strictly go for religion?
Purple, I see nothing wrong with what Steve has added to this thread and by you coming here and attacking him has added nothing useful this thread but steer it off course.
Steve is a very smart man (Don't get me wrong Steve and I have had our issues), and if you really listen to some of the things he has to say, you'll learn quite a bit.
And Steve you have made some great points and always give me something great to read.
And Thor again I ask you to go back and answer the many questions I have asked you and you continue to ignore. To help you out I shall list a few I can think of right now:
Should a man and a women who wish to get married but want no children be denied the right to marry since they don't plan on producing children? You claim this as a reason why gay people should not be allowed to marry since they cannot produce children.
Should people who are not Christian not be allowed to get married? Should they be forced to create their own form of Union, call it something else but give it all the same rights and benefits as marriage?
Since in the bible it says women should not be teachers or pastors, are the female teachers and pastors of today going to hell? Should they be discriminated against?
How does a homosexual couple affect your life in anyway? Does it stop you from living a fulfilled life? Does it stop you from enjoying your children or spouse? Does it in some way stop you from being happy?
>Gay folks don't have any natural way of creating a family, and a gay couple isn't going to be able to provide the gender-specific role models that a husband/wife team can. (A previous post by you)
What about all those mothers and fathers that raise children by themselves? Are they less of a parent and their children are going to come out bad because they do not have a mother or father figure in their lives?
I'll end this here so not to over whelm you. Please indulge us with your answers.
offical idiotYou are a hypocrite.> I"ll add something once I can research more on it!We'll see if you're also a liar.If you've read and understood thor's posts, there is something motivating his opinion on same-sex marriage. He's mentioned it a number of times. What do you think that thing is?
You're the hypocrit! and a bigot liar! You're lucky Ntro said your points are valid, He now has to clarify if its bullshit or truth.
Yeah, gee, OK, you win.
In reply to: and a bigot liar! Ha! Don't you realise Steve was arguing against bigots?
There goes 'harmony'! Waves it 'bye'!
Purple, Steve (and anyone else it concerns) stop with the name calling. Gah, guys, you're throwing them around like candy! If you have an opinion then give it, but do so without reverting to third grade!!
I believe in God, and I believe in Christ as my savor, and I have no problems with saying that. But let me ask you... who are we to judge someone else because of thier sexuality? It's not my place nor is it yours. You don't want to see gay men or women marry, that's your choice, but don't belittle someone because they want to be given the chance at happieness! In reply to:Allowing "gay marriage" would destroy what marriage means in this country. What marriage means in this country? I'm sorry but homosexuality will NOT be the down fall of the sacred union of matrimony hon. I'm sorry, but in my personal opinion, adultery and people who get married just for the hell of it before thinking it through is what has sullied it. To many people now days marriage is nothing more than a little band and a name on a piece of paper.
To speak for thor, since he won't...If one interprets the scriptures literally, and it's hard to argue (although it's possible, I suppose) that homosexuality is seriously frowned upon (see Leviticus). Your acceptance of Jesus is fine, but if you also accepted the scriptures as the inerrant word of God, how could you sanction anything to do with homosexuality, which is an abomination before God, any more than you could sanction any other sin?[Devil's advocate mode ]
You realy are an evil bastard Steve.
I think thats why when I see your name on the variou sforums as a poster, Il read that post even if its something i have no interest in or know I can be of no help by answering.
I belive that we could get further along in this argument if you took both sides and debated yourself acting in your behalf and in Thors.
It's my inner lawyer. The idea I learned from my lawyer friend while he was still only a political philosophy major showed how the best way to attack an argument is to take the other side (and not construct a stawman arguement, but the best one you can muster), and then disembowel the arguments. My friend became a litigator. He is the god of argumentation, and I bow down to him.> and debated yourselfI'll be doing something like that later tonight, if I'm not too tired.
Well I look forward to reading it upon my return from a quik run to Salt Lake City, If not upon my retur then in the morning or atleast late afternoon, I got work in the morning and I really dont think Ill get up early to read your conversation with yourself.
Thank your buddy for me, his teachings to you have provided me with much entertainement from you.
