Do you find BLACK WOMEN sexy or attractive?

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It seems it was a multi-faceted thread to begin with Steve..

So you're into the "Do you find BLACK WOMEN sexy or attractive?" Do you find red people attractive? Yellow? Brown? Pasty white? Do you find Moslems attractive? Jews? Episcopalians? This is the kind of thing that draws racists out of the crevices. I don't see what other purpose it serves.The thread devolved into a discussion of things like the history of civil right, slavery, etc., which had nothing to do with the original post anyway.Have you ever seen Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? (The original was with Sidney Poitier, Spencer Tracy, and Katharine Hepburn).

Well, I dont think the questions the problem Steve, I think the problems come with the answers, which, incidentally, isnt a bad metaphor for life.No I havent seen that film; I'm assuming it's about an inter-racial relationship. Would you recommend it?

a bad metaphor for lifeThat life is a bag of crap for large numbers of people because so many folks are hung up on race? "I don't like black women." Great. Thanks for sharing. I'm not sure what the gain is in venting about things like that in public.> Would you recommend it?It is about interracial dating. The film was made in 1967, and interracial marriage was illegal into that year in 17 Southern states, until a Supreme Court ruling overturned those laws.It's not a deep, heavy film, but it's a classic, given the time it came out. It would seem ridiculous if it were made now. It's about a white woman from a liberal family bringing home her perfect black fiance, who she's been with only briefly. Guess what she neglected to tell her parents? Wikipedia entry on the film.

Steve, what the hell are you talking about? I certainly never said I had a problem with black women! I can only assume you've gotten confused and are responding to somebody elses comments.

I'm talking about the contents of the thread, not about you. Did you glean anything from the content of the string of posts I just put up criticizing the thread for it's content beyond the original post?The subject of this thread is stupid and pointless. Get it? That's what I said. You may like it. I understand that. You have no problem with black women's looks. I understand that. This thread is not very constructive. Do you understand that?

As to the content of the thread; it obviously interests many people, as is evidenced by the huge volume of replies which runs to hundreds, and the views, which runs to tens of thousands. Yes it's the sort of subject that scumbags might pounce on, but are people supposed to watch every word they say for fear of the response it might ellicit? I know I wouldnt care a fig if there was a 'do you find white women attractive' thread and yes, on there someone or maybe many people would say white women were all dogs, but guess what? I wouldnt give a damn about that either, and I dont think any self respecting black woman would give a second thought to what some fool she's never met is typing into a keyboard. As to the comment you included in your last post; when responding to somebodys post it is misrepresentitive to include a comment, in quotation marks, which they did not make. Now - do you understand that?

Thanks for the film info by the way, lol!

quotation marksOne would think that what I was saying was obvious from the context, but hey, OK.Your post shows remarkable insensitivity. It's fine that you as a white woman in a lilly white country would just shrug your shoulders if some guy said that white women were crap. In the U.S., if you're not white, things are not quite so simple. Take a look at this article: New 'Doll Test' Produces Ugly Results

I read that article and it is clear that, on the premise you are making, Kiri Davis shouldnt have opened her mouth about the issue either, as it would also be likely to draw distain from racists. If silligirl shouldnt have provoked a debate about ethnic beauty, then, by your own hypothesis, neither should Kiri Davis.You should read peoples posts more carefully before responding, as you clearly missed the point I made about confidence and self esteem. I said "I dont think any self respecting black woman would give a second thought to what some fool she's never met is typing into a keyboard". The same dosent go for women who are insecure about their self-worth obviously.And finally; your having described Ireland as a "lilly white" country betrays your total ignorance about it.You'll have to find someone else to argue with Steve, I've got to go out now. My life is too full and busy to sit here entertaining you in order for you to inject some excitement into your own.

I well understood what you meant. What I meant is that a lot of people don't have great self-esteem, and threads like this, that don't serve any postive pupose that I disecern, has the effect of damaging people's self image even further.

What purpose is served by a thread that has devolved into people (the ones who choose to post) saying that they think black women are attractive or that they're not?

I realize that Ireland has increasing numbers of immigrant minorities, but I don't think you could say that it has an African or Arabic culture. You are a white person in a white culture. Of course you don't care if someone says that white women suck. I don't expect you to empathize with minorities, but you can't seem to sympathize either.

I still don't understand what's useful about a thread that's called "Do you find BLACK WOMEN sexy or attractive?", where people vote on the issue. You can't seem to tell me. I'm not the censor, and I don't think this thread should be deleted or locked. I'm just trying to understand the mentality behind it.

Shall we have threads called "Do Jews suck?" and "Are Moslems funny-looking?"

Well you've contributed enough posts to it, so if you still cant understand the mentality behind it thats your business.I'm going to tell you in very clear terms that I am offended by your stupid ill-informed comment about the "lilly white" society you presume that I live in:Firstly, if I were an African woman, would you refer to my country of origin as 'coal black'? Well - would you? Nobody chooses the skin on their flesh or the place of their birth and I am VERY pissed off about the termanology you have seen fit to use.Besides that, dont presume to tell me anything about the society I live in. I have lived here for thirty years and you have yet to clarify if you've ever set foot in the place. I doubt that you have, because if you had you would know that we have whole areas entirely comprised of shops/markets/hairdressers/restaurants and cafes of African, Asian and Eastern European origin. We have, in a country of 5 million people, over one million people living here who hail from every corner of the globe. There are estimated to be communities from more than one hundred countries living here now. Three of my sons close friends are from Nigeria, Sudan and Romania and two of those boys are his classmates. The festival of international cultures ended here last weekend. Dozens of groups representing citizens from different countries participated and tens of thousands of people visited the festival, including me and my son. "You are a white person in a white culture" - what the fuck do you know about this countrys culture? Nothing, obviously.I have visited America a couple of times, but I cant imagine presuming to tell an American what American society is like. Your arrogance is staggering.

In reply to: Three of my sons close friends are from Nigeria, Sudan and Romania and two of those boys are his classmates. Yay!! I think he's expert on world affairs, knows everything about every single country on this planet! I wonder what bullshit will he make of Romania, and the gypsies there, or the Hungarian gypsies!

In reply to: I dont think any self respecting black woman would give a second thought to what some fool she's never met is typing into a keyboard". Actually that's not true. When I first came on this site and saw it, I thought it was pretty depressing. But I was 14 then so I guess being too young makes a difference. Then again I've come across many white racists sites. No sense in crying over stupidity. First time I cried over some site that was pure hatred literally. I told my sis and she actually laughed at me because I took it seriously. So I don't take it seriously and I spend my days outside being active unlike the many people wasting their lives in their seats spewing animosity over a race they don't like. And though I do ignore it, it's both scary and sad to think there are so many people like that in this world and I sometimes reconsider what I do.

I also disagree with that quote. Words can hurt, especially younger people, who tend to be insecure about a lot of things about themselves. I don't know how starfish can presume to talk for black women, self-respecting or otherwise. You would think she'd have realized that by the number of threads on this site about teens (and adults) freaking out about all kinds of features of their bodies. You'd think she would have gotten a clue from the article I cited that mentioned the test done with black children that showed that, at a young age, serious self-image problems were already apparent.How does it help anyone if some people have a forum to say that they don't "find BLACK WOMEN sexy or attractive"? Earth to starfish: not everyone has a well-developed self image, and even if they do, this kind of crap does not feel good.@starfish: Go back and count the number of times you used words like "ill-informed" and "ignorant". Then go look up the term ad hominem. It's OK to have an emotional response, but it would be better to make your case without attacking the person you're debating with.In reply to:The festival of international cultures ended here last weekend. Dozens of groups representing citizens from different countries participated and tens of thousands of people visited the festival, including me and my son. "You are a white person in a white culture" - what the fuck do you know about this countrys culture? Nothing, obviously."What the fuck?" Chill out. You haven't demonstrated that you know much about the minority subcultures in your own country. I suggest that you get together with the parents of your son's multicultural friends and have an in-depth talk about their experience in your culture. Eating exotic foreign food is nice, but it's a very shallow cultural experience.The first two paragraphs of this post state what I'm trying to say as clearly as I am able to do so. To reiterate, not everyone has a great self-image (I won't even get into the subject of "self-respect"), and this sort of thing is hurtful. In fact, it's not too pleasant for people who do have self-respect and a good self image. How do you think Abi must have felt when the previous moronic poster said how much he's not attracted to black women? I'm sure it didn't ruin her day, but still...do you understand?@Purple: This is a thread discussing ideas (or at least it's trying to), so you have no place here. If saying stupid crap to me makes you feel good about yourself, that's fine, but not in this thread. Anyway, I couldn't care less about your forebears. Now go outside and play.

"I suggest that you get together with the parents of your son's multicultural friends and have an in-depth talk about their experience in your culture" - you dont need to suggest that I do something I've been doing for years! The mother of my sons Sudanese friend and I are actually quite close, an old friend of mine married a Romanian girl some years ago of whom I'm very fond and I've had a black English friend who has been living here for fourteen years. Where do you get the idea that you can look into other peoples lives, across the width of a ocean, and know, with the certainly and assurance you are always foolish enough to presume you possess, what is going on???!!!"but it would be better to make your case without attacking the person you're debating with" - coming from you, of all people I've come across on this site, that statement really is something else!!! It is so out of touch with reality it is a parody, a caricature, of self-denial and complete absence of self-awareness.In response to PurpleStain, you said "This is a thread discussing ideas", therefore validating and giving credence to this thread, which runs in polar opposition to the very argument you have provoked about it.You would benefit immeasurably from examining the content of your own character in an effort to locate the source of your incessant desire to argue. If all else fails (and I have a feeling in your case it will) you should join a debating society, as you clearly regard afraid2ask to be one, which it's not.I dont know, or care, what colour you are Steve; you in possession of two character flaws which transcend all the races - you are an egomaniacal ignoramus, and when those two flaws are paired together in a person the result is an argumentative fool of the most displeasing variety. If there is an apparent over usage of terms like 'ignorant' and 'ill-informed' while you are in discussion with somebody, then clearly you should muster up the intelligence to question what in your responses is eliciting those terms, as a discussion is something like the verbal equivalent of a tennis match, in that each movement responds to the last. But then, in fairness to you, you are at a disadvantage there, as any egomaniac would be.You witter on about race relations yet you make racist comments about "lilly white" societies, as though, (as I have pointed out, but you chose to ignore) anybody decides on their skin colour or country of origin. That comment shows a clear distain for people of indigenously white countries, which identifies you as a racist.You clearly need to get something else going on in your life Steve, as this site is, for you, quite evidently filling some void and making up the balance for some lack in your life. There is no such lack in mine, so you can respond to this post with whatever banal nonsense you dream up in an effort to make your day interesting, but you will not get a response from me, I have donated you enough of my time. I'm simply too busy to entertain you; you'll have to find some other way to fill the void.

I'm sorry that you have been hurt by other peoples stupidity. The point I was trying to make in that quote was that when a person has self respect (which is essentially a sense of their own self worth) they find attitudes based in ignorance much easier to disregard.Though I am white in a country that's about 75/80% percent white it might surprise people to know that I do have a clear sense of what it is to be in the minority, not in terms of race of course, but in terms of social class.When I was doing my degree we were in a class of 40 people, out of those 40 people only two of us were working class. That's a five percent minority, and I did feel it very keenly. It isnt as obviously apparent on first glance of course, that you are a member of a minority when the issue is class rather than race, but I speak with a strong working class Dublin accent that immediatly identifies me as a member of 'the lower orders' the moment I open my mouth. I did encounter classism before, during and after college, and when you live in a society with deeply ingrained negative ideas about the working class you will always have to struggle with that - it is not something that goes away. The most recent example of that was just a few weeks ago, when I was the only one not contacted, out of a group of five part-timers for shifts at an exclusive new restaurant. The other four women were offered the position, and surprise surprise, they speak with middle/upper class accents. I know whats going on here, I've been here before. The shifts we do in function waitressing dont require us to speak, you simply lay the plate infront of the diner. I dont sound right for a prestigious restaurant, simple as that.Actually, in college, a classmate asked me if I wouldnt consider elecution lessons! I asked her if I were a black women would she suggest that I ought to somehow lighten my skin tone? And when she looked perplexed and didnt seem to make the connection I asked her what was the difference between the visual and the audible? Well, her visual appearance went bright red very rapidly, but this is the type of thing I'm talking about.My point is; I know that I am intelligent and well educated despite having a background of disadvantage and I'm not about to be told different by anyone. Take crap from nobody would be my advice - I dont.

You wrote a very long post, with little content other than personal attack. Does that mean that you dislike debating?> You would benefit immeasurably from examining the content of your own character> It is so out of touch with reality it is a parody, a caricature, of self-denial and complete absence of self-awareness.So does that mean that you're not arguing ad hominem. I don't think so. As the discussion progresses, you are addressing the specifics of what I'm > you in possession of two character flaws which transcend all the races - you are an egomaniacal ignoramus...I see. So this isn't a discussion of race. It's a discussion of my personality. I think we're in the wrong thread.> If there is an apparent over usage of terms like 'ignorant' and 'ill-informed' while you are in discussion with somebody...It means that the person I'm having a discussion with is emotionally overwraught, and is unable to discuss the subject facts. Even if you want to call me names, still, put some more effort in discussing the subject.> That comment shows a clear distain for people of indigenously white countries, which identifies you as a racist.No, it shows my questioning of the sensitivity toward minorities of the majorities of societies in general. I live in a place that's like the U.N. Every day I interact with people of many different cultures. I am white, but I am an ethnic minority in the county I live in. (No, I'm not claiming that I'm treated badly because I'm in the minority; I still live in a white culture). Religiously, I am in a small minority that gets savagely (fortunately not physically) attacked all the time in this country.I spend time with people of many skin shades and ethnicities, and I've had a lot of discussions with them on how it is to live around here. It's not always easy. I can tell you this: black people face racism all the time, in subtle ways, and it hurts. It hurts a person's self-image. It can damage a person's self-respect. A thread where people get to say that they don't find black people sexy or attractive does not help them or anyone else. It doesn't convey any useful information. I don't see the point of it.I've restated my position a number of times. You spent precious few words addressing the issue under discussion. If you do reply to this one, and it's nothing but a personal attack, you're just wasting your time.

N1sp, some people can't understand what you're saying, and I don't see why they can't. I've just spent a lot of words trying to get one person to understand, and it elicited a lot more smoke than light.

actually I think there is a difference between being a minority in the case of social class and in the case of race. People don't notice you're different until you speak and as they get to know you. But for someone like me or any other black person people notice you are different the moment they see you and unfortunately they judge you right off the back. It's happened to me too many times so I've learned to deal with it. That's why I find it funny when people say "they know what it's like to be a minority" because honestly, if you live in a place where most people look and are like you... you honestly have no idea. I wouldn't expect most people on here to realize that. I would understand though why people wouldn't find black women attractive because of the way we are represented like ghetto trashy sex fiends or something, and people take that to heart. But like I sad I let it pass. If that's what people choose to believe then ok.