AM I GAY

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In reply to: can i ask u some? u are happy with who u r with right? but its the idea of what being gay that u don't like? i am trying to understand it from u veiw. hugs Had to make sure I give you you're daily hug hehe.Okay now to your question . Yes I love the person I am with now, hell I justed ask him this morning while we were cuddling in bed to move in with me (fingers crossed for me hehe). Being gay doesn't bother me, because I know it's part of who I am and it feels natural and right for me to be gay. I think what bothers me most is how people view homosexuals. Sometimes I think people lose sight that we are people too, just as human as they are. So it's not the point of me being gay I dislike, I dislike how we're treated by people and treated by the government like we should have less rights simply because we love someone of the same gender.Hope that helps alittle?

OH MY GOD EDDIE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL THAT YOU ASKED HIM, GOOOOOOOOD LUCK DARLING

Good luck with the moving in thing hon hugs...............oh and what does a person have to do to get a daily hug, huh???? pout*

> and again i ask what about Christians who are killed just for beleiveing in some 'light switch flipped on' spirituality?

Still hammering the homosexuality-is-a-choice nail, eh?

Based on functional MRI studies, there is evidence that the drive toward religious belief is wired into the human brain, so it appears that a lot of people are born primed for spiritual beliefs. (Likewise, brain studies reveal evidence of a "homosexuality fingerprint.) Besides that, there are certain gains from religious belief (comfort, sense of community, not burning in Hell for eternity, etc.). In much of the U.S., being religious has certain political advantages. Some devout people are brainwashed by the family and community into their religious beliefs. Some people periodically change the specifics of their beliefs.

There's not really a comparable gain in being homosexual. If you act on homosexual feelings, the upside is that you will be with a person of the gender that you are attracted to. Otherwise, there is nothing to gain from it; there's nothing but lack of acceptance from family, peers, and society. Why would people chose to be marginalized, insulted, and beaten up if they could still get sexual pleasure from chosing a heterosexual lifestyle?

There is mounting scientific evidence that homosexuality is wired into some people's brains, whether the cause is genetic, the effect of hormones during gestation, or whatever. You just don't want to hear any of it. Do you feel threatened in some way by the idea that homosexuality is not a choice? Because the belief that it is a choice, even though there is no good evidence to support that belief, is a politically dangerous idea for homosexuals. ("Why do they need special rights?") It justifies dicrimination. Otherwise, I doubt that gay people would care what you think.

no ur right homo's may not care 2 flips about what i utter out of my mouth. but most people don't. so i'm kinda used to being the outsider, the strange one. even some hetro's i talk to get all over my case for what i think. about the original topic, everyone says "u'll find out later, just follow ur heart, etc." well if a pediphial followed his heart that would be a bad descion. i'm just telling him that being gay is a choice, he's not born that way. sure maybe had tendices toward that, but it doesn't MAKE him that way. no i don't care what ya'll say, he can read this for himself and make a descion. do some research, soul searching or w/e. but if all he hears is "you'll find out later" and nuthing happens he may THINK he HAS to be gay just cuz some of his family is. but i'm here to say that's just not true. ok i'm done. if u wanna ask questions i'm not coming back to this thread to answer them.

i don't have any thing against ppl who prefer the same sex.as long as you r happy with what ur doing . i was starting to think pouncer wans't happy and wanted to be straight and it was getting confusing is all. and thanks for the hugs hugs

lol, im happy with who i am, but, that doesnt mean, that if i HAD the choice, then, i would not pick being gay ^_^ hugs for taka too btw :*

In reply to: oh and what does a person have to do to get a daily hug, huh???? pout* Sweetie I'm a hug whore..all you have to do is ask for it heheBIG HUGS!

how can u say ur happy yet u wouldn't pick to be gay? to me ur not happy if u would choice it to be different

I know lots of gay people will choose to be straight if they had that choice, does that make them unhappy? no, it doesnt.Im not rich, if i had the choice, i'd be rich, but, im not unhappy with the ammount of money i got now

I know you said you weren't going to comment anymore on the thread but I have to respond. First off you keep comparing homosexuality with things that do not have similarities. Again you compare it to pedifiles (however you spell it lol). First off it's not comparable because homosexuals cause no harm to anyone. When it's all said and done we are like any other straight person in the fact we just want to live our lives and get the same respect as straight people. Pedifiles on the other hand are people that enjoy sex with a small child, that's harming the child not just at the moment he as sexual relation with the child but for the rest of the childs life. There are limits upon what someone should follow their hearts with, all you have to do it use common sense. Should one follow their heart if they fall in love with another man and they are a man as well?? Yes they should and there should be nothing wrong with that. Now should a person follow their heart if they wish to kill another person because it gives they some type of pleasure? Absolutely not. You just have to be smart and understand logic and common sense.Being homosexual hurts no one. We have no disease, we have no intensions on taking over the world lol. We are just normal human beings, that's all.I suppose that's something you cannot follow. If nothing else I hope you get this much out of the topic. Most homosexuals if they had the choice to be straight or gay, they would be straight. Why? because life is a lot simplier and a hell of a lot more accepted when you are straight. So please understand, being homosexual it not a choice, some days I wish it was because I hate having to deal with ignorance just because I whole heartily love someone who just happens to be another man. P.S. Thanks everyone for the best wishes on Adam moving in. hugs and kisses to you all =-)

to me it does say they r unhappy with who they are.money don't mean jack sh\*it. if u think havenin money makes u happy u can change that . if u would prefer to be straight chnage it.

zz, it was just an examplew/eif u dont believe im happy, ur choice ^_^

> so i'm kinda used to being the outsider, the strange one.

I'm not sure how this helps to make your homosexuality-as-a-choice case. Are you saying that you don't care what anyone says, you'll just believe what you believe?

> even some hetro's i talk to get all over my case for what i think.

Like me. If I have a gay component, it's pretty small. But homosexuals and homosexuality don't bother me. People who cling fast to irrational beliefs do (right, NtroducingMyself?).

> if a pediphial followed his heart that would be a bad descion. i'm just telling him that being gay is a choice, he's not born that way. sure maybe had tendices toward that, but it doesn't MAKE him that way.

You're bringing an emotional component into this: That homosexuality must be a choice, because it would be really bad if it wasn't. Pedophelia is bad, and homosexuality is neither good nor bad, but their goodness or badness has nothing to do with whether people are born into them or not.

There is no rational reason to have the degree of belief that you have in the "choice" issue, but you believe it as if it's a known law of nature. Does your religion lead you to this line of reasoning, or is some deep insecurity coming to the surface?

> do some research, soul searching or w/e. but if all he hears is "you'll find out later" and nuthing happens he may THINK he HAS to be gay just cuz some of his family is. but i'm here to say that's just not true.

OK, you've repeated the same idea a number of times. You seem completely sure of yourself. You have expressed a religious belief (i.e., a belief based of feeling, not fact).

Are you a fundamentalist Christian?

I think what we are trying to express is the fact that we are gay, and we are happy with who we are. What we are unhappy about is how we are treated by society. The government took away our right for marriage. Worst part is they don't even have to give us "marriage" give us civil unions and give us the same basic rights as those that use the term marriage, I'd even be fine with that.Because of all that we say if it was a TRUE choice on whether to be straight or gay we would have never chose to be gay, instead we should be straight simply because we'd fit into society. But don't mistake that as us not being happy with who we are. I'm happy being gay. I'm happy loving Adam. I'm happy with the life I have started to create. I just wish society would let us be happy together without the ridicule. As I have always said, if people minded their own business, life would go much smoother.

[homosexuality versus pedophelia]NtroducingMyself, you're missing the point. Whether or not either is something you're born with has nothing to do with its merit. The lesson that you should take away is that irrational belief can be very harmful.It's pretty clear that some people are born sociopaths. Out of a large family, sometimes one child will be gratutiously cruel and violent, for no apparent reason. Can a mentally ill sociopath just choose to be normal? The evidence does not support it, in most cases. You can't just turn off schizophrenia.Eye color is something you don't choose either. You can wear tinted contact lenses to change the apparent color of your eyes, but they still are what they are.I have no proof that homosexuality is something that all or some homosexuals are born with, but there is evidence that point in that direction. I just wonder what motivates mnm23's strict belief in that area. Whatever it is, it certainly is not science.

i wasn't tryin to offend any one .

Oh don't worry hun you didn't offend me at all . I was just trying to explain alittle where I was coming from that's all. It takes A LOT to offend me hehe. hugs

good to know. *hugs* :smile:

There's a huge difference between gay people and rapists/serial killers/paedophiles. That difference is that 95% of gay people do not go out of their way (whether through 'choice' or 'genetic compulsion') to harm others by having sex with them or entering into relationships with them.By contrast, 95% of rapists/serial killers/paedophiles do go out of their way to harm people by raping them, killing them and their families and sexually abusing their children! It doesn't really matter whether they choose to do it or whether they do it because of some uncontrollable desire, the simple fact of the matter is that in the overwhelming majority of cases, they destroy the lives of other people.When a gay person has sex with someone of the same gender or even when they enter into a relationship with someone of the same gender, they don't usually wreck a life and if they do end up wrecking a life, it's not usually because of the sex or the loving relationship although it may well be something connected to those things.