One Good Reason

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Youre a swell guy bob, but blow me.

Quote:I just feel like it's been had...and had...and had I was refering to debating wjhat's appropriate to teach in public school.I have to also say that I beleive public schools are lacking in the teaching of world religion. No preaching, teaching. The kids have a right to know what it's all about in a factual and historical manner. Knowing the facts will likely result in less conflict in the future.But it aint science!Now about Intelegent Design... If you beleive in ID then you must also beleive in a grossly imperfect god because history is full of failed evolutionary experements.

Haha, thanks. :grin:

You are completely misrepresenting what I was asking.I know that few, if any, public schools in America actually teach Creationism/ID. My question is about why there is even a debate on if it should be taught in public schools as science, which it is not.I focus on America because it is the only country that I am aware of that has had state officials changing educational standards under pressure from ID proponents. It seems that many people think that because America is a democracy then scientific principals should be too. This just isn't true, you cannot just pick the theory that people want or that sounds best and is easier to understand. And I repeat again, as others have already, I am talking about ID being taught as a science, not just in general.

Originally Posted By: damien Originally Posted By: bobaliciousCan anyone, anywhere, give me one good reason why Creationism / Intelligent Design should be taught in science classes in public schools?I could, but we all know what that would lead to. Same thing it leads to every time you or someone else brings up this same tired topic. Really Bob, you've been around long enough to know that there is nothing new that will be said in this thread and that it will completely devolve into something less than amicable. Makes me wonder what the reason for starting the thread is.That being said, I'll stay out of it and let others dance in this glass shard infested playground.Oh...the founder of the creation museum here in Kentucky...if I'm not mistaken he's not from the U.S. He's either British or Australian. Intelligent Design is not a uniquely American belief. This thread is not meant to start conflict. I understand that everyone has their own belief's on origin and that's fine, I really don't care what they are. As I've said many times already, I just want to know why people think that ID should be taught as science when it so obviously is not science.If nobody here thinks this then that's fine, we can just let the thread die. I ask here because apart from being ridiculously horny perverts (like myself), I trust most people here and think that there aren't too many real nutjobs.

Originally Posted By: Thoughtful

Believing in it is fine. But the question is whether it should be taught in science classes?

No, the question asked of me was "do you believe in Intelligent Design".
Look again.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousThis thread is not meant to start conflict. So far, it's been far more discussion than conflict.Good sign, no?

Thoughtful was referring to the original point of this whole thread, which is that very question.

Thoughtful was replying to me and my answer, which was a reply to Unsuper's question. Sometimes these threads go off on several different directions and it takes some effort to keep up.

maybe not science but history? we learned about evolution in Physical Science and Materialism and Transcendentalism in history.We've never been taught about Creationism or ID in school. In fact, it's never been mentioned at all. It's actually prohibited to speak about that in our school.

if not history, then a seperate, elective class devoted to teaching, without bias, about the various religions of the world,what they believe and why, even including known cults in order to educate students on what to avoid. that might be a decent idea

I agree. A class for the purpose of spreading knowledge, not preaching.

i dont mean "just" christianity,frankly i think thatd be a waste, if someone wants to learn about one single religion they dont need a tax funded class to do it, but i mean all mainstream religions ,and also known cults like i said, in order to educate kids on what to avoid and who

In my school they talk about every other religion except Christianity. It's not allowed in my school. We've discussed Unitarianism, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, etc. Christianity is not allowed. Nor are we allowed to read the Bible. They haven't said anything about praying. I do both anyway they just haven't dared to say anything to me. Either that or they just don't see me.

it makes political sense, none of those are as much of a hot topic as christianity obviously

Originally Posted By: RadecklNo, I understood you didn't believe in creationism.My questions was just IF you believe something, why wouldn't you want it taught in schools? Again: I'm not saying one wouldn't want it taught in schools. Just that it should not be taught in science classes. As Old Folks mentionned, some religious people have that same view as well- that it be taught outside of science classrooms.

They do go off in all directions for sure Damien. lol But I was actually referring to the original question.

Originally Posted By: Dantekif not history, then a seperate, elective class devoted to teaching, without bias, about the various religions of the world,what they believe and why, even including known cults in order to educate students on what to avoid. that might be a decent idea That kind of course could really be worthwhile. It's been done under the heading of comparative religion. But there have on occasion been strong objections to that from some Christians as well, because that approach tends to treat all religions as equal. I suspect the reason it's not done more is that any approach seems to raise objections from someone.

Last year in Language Arts, we read quite a few religious texts. The main thing I can remember that we read is the book in the Bible about the flood as well as the Sumerian story (I think the person in place of Noah is Ushnapisthin or something like that) and compared the similarities in each text. We also read Genesis, Dante's Inferno (though that could be considered more of a literary text than the Bible [in the sense of an L.A. class]), and some Greek Mythology. I can't remember much else because I hated that teacher...