Abortion

---

ummm...pre-1947 Germans were actually facist, a lesser degree of Nazism. The Russians and Germans hated each other so nice try.

Ummm, and socialism will always fail. BTW, I'm a poly sci minor so lets rumble on political ideology.

so you are saying that the miracle of human procreation is in actual fact a punishment grinsdinnae fash yourself. i know what you meant (though if i keep using scots i doubt you will know waht i mean) i dont agree with you at all, but that was to be expected, that someone wouldnt agree. people do make stupid mistakes, yes. but they shouldnt be punished for every single one. if someone smokes marijuana and gets done for it the first time they do it, they are heralded as unlucky (or rightly done, depending your stance on drugs). if someone is pressurised into sleeping with someone at an early age and doesnt understnad the risk of pregnancy all that well, they shouldnt be forced to keep the baby. and dont come with all that "Its your choice" ballplop, as for many people who act surprisingly like sheep (i know sheep. live on an island with 400,000 of them and only 27000 people) choice is only what they feel forced into. these people should not be forced to carry out a 'life sentence' because of this. and that is what having a baby is. you cant serve your time and then forget about it. you have to keep doing it your whole life. and also a large amount of people are unfit to be parents. the less of them there are out there, the greater the chance of children not being screwed up by them. i recognise my blind spots, but doing anything about them is another matter entirely

I agree with the mistake part.There are however better alternatives to abortion. Adoption is the prime one.

Give the babies to an orphaneige, like the guy aforementioned.

You don't mind killing things, but "friskiness" should be severly punished? I think you've inadvertantly made the argument that consensual sex is worse than murder. Lol, that would be a first.

illegal!!!! if a woman does not want her child, she has no right to just KILL it! if anything, put the child up for adoption so she/he can be love and be loved in return by people that want him/her

Bold statement, confused!

thank you, just stating my opinion is all

because that certainly doesnt result in fucking children up does it? why is it that most serial killers when pleading innocence, always include, if they can that they were adopted as part of their defence

Because youre wrong, and they don't. Nice sheep anology thoguh, but it won't cut it. There are far more poeple doing drugs tday than there are having sex and getting abortions. We take action on the drub doers, why not the ones who have sex but dont want a child? Although they may behave somewhat like sheep (though I think it isnt very clever), we must punish it by not allowing abortions. There is no reason why we shouldnt, they must learn a lesson some day so the children of future generatuions wont have to go through such things as having a child and not affording it. What you suggest is a world where people are free to do whatever they want, even if it may hurt their future. This world is not ideal. I will not tolerate it.

If you are a poly sci major, then you should most certainly know that Hitler adopted socialism, not fascism like the italians. You suggest that the italians and the germans had almost alike governments, which is, quite sorry old chap, blatantly wrong. I suggest picking up the autobiography of Albert Speer, the architect of Hitler. He most certainly stats the aspects and ways of the german government as he describes it, socialism. If you do not aggree with him, who has one of the closest men to Hitler (even above Himmler), then you are most certainly incorrect again.

if your idea does come to pass though, we will end up with even more fucked up kids. teenages (who im assuming you are ranting on about, im assuming) arent fit to be parents. simple as that. my sister had a kid when she was 15. she kept it. she got a lot of help from aunties, uncles, not my parents. but basically she had a shitload of people helping her. that was how she managed. most teenagers wouldnt be as lucky.for ones that have to raise it on their own, it fucks up their lives and more often than not the kids future as well.

EDIT : Oh, and i cant be wrong. its my opinion. and this is yours. neither of us is, as this is a clash of ideas, not of realities

Well, many people died from Hiroshima and subsequent atacks, but they learned their lesson, as the War ended soon after. I dont expect the 'war' to end without people's lives being destroyed. There will be mass suffering before the end, we just have to wait it through. As a side note, I don't think enoguh people are having sex volintarily to make our population any different than it is now.

And if you want to know if I am pro-war or not, of course I am pro-war. Yt I am very right wing. Odd, I know.

i never mentioned population, i just said that it will mean there will be far more unfit parents, not that the population needs to increase dramatically. and interesting that you should see the world this way. you want to destroy future generations chances, make the world suffer and all to save it right? and your analogy doesnt quite cut it either as there have been many War's since Hiroshima and Nagaskai were bombed

No. The last war to be declared was WW2. You most certainly do not know presidential powers I see. By population I meant a change in the popular thinking, not the size. I view the world this way with many other because I know that many many people will suffer and die before the best is ever acheived, if it ever is. Americans a selfish, and so are you. Think about all of the impovershed countries that have thousnads of poeple starving or dying. Maybe if we thought about others for a chance we'd realize that stupid teenager that have babies are far less important than people dying of starvation in far greater magnitudes than the babies being born.

Then tell me, why along with every Jew, black, and cripple in Germany were Communists and socialists also imprisoned. How can you be extreme left wing, but at the same time be the furthest political ideology right?

Come on you're what, 15? And I am a college student. Present facts instead of blanket statements.

but blanket statements are warm and comforting, instead of cold and hard like facts grins i like metaphors that work

In reply to: There is no reason why we shouldnt, they must learn a lesson some day so the children of future generatuions wont have to go through such things as having a child and not affording it. Lol, that doesn't make any sense. Your goal is to prevent people from having children that they cannot afford, and your means of achieving this is to force people to have children that they cannot afford. Think about it...The reason why the drug analogy fails is because drug laws (whether just or unjust) use a punishment different than the natural consequences of using drugs (snorting cocaine, for instance, doesn't send you to jail absent government interference). The idea is that you AVOID the natural consequences (such as overdosing) through government deterrence and rehabilitation (theoretically, at least). A more appropriate analogy would be if the government forced drug users to take more drugs, which doesn’t make any more sense than your argument. Anti-drug laws are primarily paternalistic, and only retributive to the extent that drug use causes external harms. Your proposed law is entirely retributive. Typically, such retributive laws are reserved for non-consensual interpersonal harms (rape, murder, etc.). Poorly-planned sex does not fit into this category, nor should it.But again, the simple way of saying that is: Forcing people to have unwanted children so that they don't have unwanted children is pure nonsense. The reason why most people go with the “fetus is a life” argument is because it carries some moral and logical weight (even if I don’t personally agree on the factual premises).

A person's political alignment can be a very wide range of tings, you should know that.