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I don't think anyone "attacked" pink. That is ridiculas. Read back.And plenty of advice was given to him. He always gets advice when he asks. He CHOOSES not to take any of it.

fNoone said you stupid bitch dont help the little prick, thats true enough, but several people made comments close enough that she felt obligated to defend herself.comments like why help him fafter the shit he says and pointing out that he says stupid, shitty remarks and doesnt deserve help would certainly feel like an attack if it was directed at me. Pink felt obligated to defend why she offered advice, it may not have been a direct attack against her.

It still amazes me that we can say whatever the hell we want about others here - good bad true or right out lies - and that's okay. But heaven forbid someone attempt to defend themselves against what is being said about them.

Its one of the advantages of having the life Iv had, Ill always defend myself and never much give a shit what other people think of me, fuck em and fuck what they think. confidence and self worth and confidence.The problem is people dont kno whow to argue.noone makes a point and backs it up so that the other side can see thier point and maybe arive at the same conclusion, it all comes down to name calling and fuck you instead.

Well...my experience here is that a lot of times, even if you do argue rationally by making a point and backing it up, you're still subject to name calling and f you instead. Folks don't want dissenting opinions. They want to be a flock of frikkin mockingbirds.

exactly, like I said, the masses do not know how to argue.its not about name calling and fuck you its about winnig suport for your ideals and to get convert to support what you agree with.argueing is a lost art.

Truthfully it was the fact of who was saying it to her. If it was someone else who said the same thing I said she wouldn't have felt the need to defend herself.If people get offense by me just stating something simple, I cannot be help responsible. I was being polite and courteous and if people choose to take it negatively, well that's their issues to deal with and they need to stop reading into something that's not there.Plus I don't think me saying:"Not hard to be a "bitch" to him when he tells people to commit suicide, do drugs, push pregnany ladies down, and all his racist remarks (only to name a couple things). Pretty easy to see his true character."Was in anyway an attack on her, it was an attack at White more than anything,And this was not meant as rude statement, just a blunt one hehe

In reply to: its not about name calling and fuck you its about winnig suport for your ideals and to get convert to support what you agree with.argueing is a lost art. I completely agree with that. Many people who argue disregard the fact that to have a good argument you need to understand and see the other side of the story. If you do not, and you start to lose people get pissy and start wearing and try to convert your oppinion.

actually from reading back I have to disagree with you eddie, it looked to me that it started with no1sexpot. She said nothing directly malicious to pink, but it was enough to start the wave.

How by calling White a jerk? Sorry Chance I think you are reading WAY to much into this.

I don't know why anyone even bothers helping this jerk outThats how it started and it was in reply to pink. pretty innocent in its selff,f nothign malicous towards anyone but lines here. but read form there on, thats when pink starts defending her action of atttempting to help lines, from there it turns into an argument about beig different and why people deserve second chances and on and on.fIts pink defending herself for real or imagined reasons, at anyrate it was enough to lead pink to the assumption she had a reason to defend herself.now keep in mind I dont give a shit about any of it, Im only trying to convey the idea that you have to watch how you say shit, there is no voice cracks or smiles or rolling your eyes and shit that give away your intentions with words in the written form, noone can pick up subtle hints for your voice in how you meant it to be intepited.i dont think anyone really went out on a limb in attacking pink, a bit of shit, but no real outright attacks. ut because of language and that all important missing parts that we normally get in face to face conversations, this all got blown to shit and far out of porportion to what I think the original intent was.

Chance if she took anything I said offensive it was simply because it was being said by me. But let her defend herself if she was offended, she made no remark she was even offended.I personally think you are beating a dead horse over something that’s not there. I went back and read what people said and I don't see anywhere ANYONE attacked her.Again if she is offended by something she needs to say something.Guess I am at loss her because I don't see anything you are saying when it comes to her being attacked. shrug

hmmm I see it now and I just read it...Time to forgive and forget and move on.

Oh than please point it out? because I have talk to 3 other people know who are reading this thread and they have no clue either. As for the forgive and forget.. I can forgive but I'll never forget. I'm not that foolish LoL. I have no issues with Pink anymore, she's who she is and I'm who i am. Nothing is going to change that. I hope the best in everything she does.

you expletive deleted forget about this thread numb nuts (that is a kind tone...ask Kats she will tell ya)...Let it go ignore this thread...why is everyone so quick to defend. Just relax...not everything we do is right, but that is what it is all about...we do not always see what others see, but that is what it is all about.

Oh okay Numb nuts (using same nice tone) if I am told I attack someone and I didn't I will defend myself and expect proof... I don't think that's asking too much really. If I attacked her I will apologies because it wasn't intentional.

why even worry. I would just let it go. I mean just kick back and relax and let people judge...I dunno I just lost all care for that, let it go...We all see different things...I dunno...I guess I am saying say who cares...you said it let it go....

You're right it doesn't matter. I know I didn't attack her and in MY OPINION no one else attacked her either shrug

yeah let everyone do their own thing...nothing has changed between anyone just some may get heated...so lets not do that and just let it slide.

Okay, in the interest of education, I've analyzed this thread and figured it out for everyone. I will attempt to summarize how an argument became something else.
No need to thank me. Just drop a quarter in the jar by the door.
(And I really am not joining any argument. Just trying to show how valid arguments tend to become bitch-fests.)

So there was this whole discussion about white's living conditions and what he should or should not could or could not do. People said some things. He doesn't listen very well. Lots of folks gave up.

Then Steph offered up to white a specific way he might help his situation.

Then our resident sexpot questioned why anyone would bother with white. It wasn't, as far as I could see, an attack on Pink or anyone. Just a question.

Pink offered up a reason she felt that even white deserved help. Her reason was very confusing ("everyone here has a bad opinion of me and I need lost of help, so they have a bad impression of me") but she came back and clarified what she meant and made a valid point in doing so.

Then a valid argument ensued. Mostly Eddie and Bob saying white doesn't really want help so why bother. That sort of thing. Pink saying even white deserves help and probably deep down wants it. That sort of thing. And Chance was sort of splitting the difference.

Then Chance said "I just simply dont think we should be jumping pinks ass fbecause she chose to replay to him by offernig help." So he was the firs one to suggest that there was ass-jumping, when in actuality, up to that point, it had been pretty rational arguing.

Strangely enough, the valid arguing continued until...

Eddie said "I want to make it clear I was not attacking Pink for anything."

At that point the thread devolved into a discussion about attacking and attacks about discussing and all that crap.

Look at this crap indeed.

Glad to help. I should be working on my paper. But duty called. :grin: