a proud lost hetrosexual white soul.yes, white folk can have soul but I'm afraid that I still can't dance
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White Pride
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I'll buy your soul!
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it's out on loan
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Darn. Mines in repair. I spilt coffee on it
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I was going to let this go but sense someone else brought this thread back up to the top I'll post. Thor, I don't think I am really directing this at you as much as the sentiment you put forth. Depending on what you meant by it, that might be splitting hairs.
>>>"I hope to achieve the point where I can't remember if they were black/white/whatever...then I know I'll be where I should be."
Perhaps I am taking this quote a little to literally but.....
I hope that is never realized to be true. Speaking for myself as a NDN who has grown up on and still lives on the rez, who is a part of his culture in every way still possible, who participates in his native religion, who can understand his native language when spoken, who can, to a very limited degree, speak his native language, who has been through the trials and tribulations of native life...I for one, hope you will always see me as an NDN. I want you to see me for what I am, not to be blind to what I am. See me as different and realize my ways are no less valid than yours.
There is a world of difference between us. I am someone different than you. The way I talk is different from you. The way I understand the world is different from you. Even the way I think is different form you. In a thousand subtle ways I am different form you. In none of those ways am I better than you but I am different. I don't seek for you to understand me, no more than I seek to understand you. All I want is to be seen as what I am and allowed to be what I am. Just as I see you for what you are, and just as I don't seek to change you from what you are.
For all the differences the gulf between us is not that great. I know this because I have had to work with white men for many years now. We have, to a point, bridged the gap. Also, I know this because I am happily married to a white women and have been for many years now. Many times we don't understand each other and many times we don't get one an others sense of humor. But we get along.
I am different from you, to see me as anything else is dismissive of my ideas, my values, and who I am.
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Yeah, I think you took what a meant in a different direction than I intended. I mean that I always want to see a person first, as opposed to a race/color.On what you said, I don't think it's really necessary to recognize the race/color of a person in order to see their uniqueness. Just my $0.02.
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Forget it. In his world, groups bring discrimination upon themselves by maintaining their individuality. If everyone were a white Christian who dresses the right way, cuts his hair the right way, gave his kids "normal" names, went to church, and spoke without an accent, they'd just be regular Americans, and they'd have no problem. Once all of those conditions are met, he will have no problem with the color of your skin, because in effect you'll be white, no mater how much melanin is there.He wants you to have a fair shake, but you're going to have to meet him halfway. Or 99% of the way. That is his utopia.
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You have demonstrated my point.
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I don't concider myself racsist but what burn me is when black people blame there troubles all on white people because they were slaves at one time. Slavery dates back to way before christ and involved other races being slaves too. Here in Canada we have a different problem with native americans who blame us for there inhability to work and the crime they do. Why the blame game?
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Wouldn't they have been in far better shape if the Europeans hadn't shown up to "civilize" them?
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Damn those Natives! You know, they still wont take the blockade off!
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SteveA - You're an idiot who either has no idea what I meant, or are trying to cause unwarranted trouble. Don't assume to speak for me on any issue under discussion.I'm not out to see white...I'm out to see no color at all.
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Some wounds are deeper than the mere generation that first felt their impact. Some wounds still bleed many years later.As to the rest of that racist statement I shall not respond.
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do we have problems with native Americans here?you know how it looks as soon as someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not racisit BUT"...Yeah, I agree that there are indiviuals from all groups that find a way to blame others for any number of their own problems. And yes, the argument is valid that I'm no more responsible for black slavery than an Italian buddy is resonsible for the Roman slavery of my ancestors in Britton.Never forget the past but never stop moving forward.
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Thank you for your well-tempered remarks.> I'm not out to see white...I'm out to see no color at all.Shall I refer you back to the "In God we trust thread"? (By the way, I'm still waiting for the references you promised at the end of that thread).Don't you get it? You want to see "no color", but on your own terms. You want to see a country full of "regular Christian Americans", like the ones who you think founded the country.Unless you actually go blind, there's no way you are going to be completely "color-blind". From what you say in the other thread, you would like people to conform to a certain model of what's right, a model that you've constructed in your own mind. Do you see yourself living in Detroit, hanging out with hip-hop guys and Moslem, or Texas and hanging out with Vietnamese fisherman, or Los Angeles, hanging out with Iranians?Have you ever spent any time in a culture other than your own? If you do, you'll realize that it's one of many, and it's not superior to the others.
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SteveA - You're hung up on the whole "color" thing pretty bad. You don't have to be any particular color to hold certain beliefs. I suggest you take a vacation.
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I suggest you take a vacation.Is there no way to discuss or debate something without resorting to that kind of thing? You've already painted yourself into an intolorant corner. I'm just trying to flesh out the intolerance.I'll assume that your answer to all of the questions posed above is "no". I'll also assume assume that you're aware that, in the U.S., skin colors denote different cultures.Sorry, but a nation where everyone is a church-going WASP does not sound too great to me. I'm glad that it's not that way.
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there is a cetrain positive sentiment to your wish to be colour blind but it's far from any reality. If you can't recognise, acccept and embrace difference, then you'll be stuck in a group of "your own people".For instance, one of my best friends is a Muslem from Pakistan. If I was blind to the differences between us, I'd have him and his family over for a nice pig roast because I'm such a good host.Like I said earlier... race, religion along with carreer, musical taste, favorite food are all the hierarchy of paridigms that make each of us who we are. Failier to recognise tham is failier to accept and respect the individual
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"I'll assume that your answer to all of the questions posed above is "no". I'll also assume assume that you're aware that, in the U.S., skin colors denote different cultures."Not necessarilly. Did you miss the post of some black woman a while back talking about how folks like you peg them into a cultural corner based on their skin-color alone? If anyone's intollerant here, it's you.BTW, I prefer to accept somebody rather than tollerate them...
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In reply to:Not necessarilly. Did you miss the post of some black woman a while back talking about how folks like you peg them into a cultural corner based on their skin-color alone? If anyone's intollerant here, it's you.I'll let her speak for herself, but I think you missed her point entirely. A culture is more than a collection of stereotypes.> BTW, I prefer to accept somebody rather than tollerate them...There's no way you're going to accept everything about any other individual. You accept the dietary beliefs of Moslems and Jews? So you've given up eating pork, venison, and shell fish?