The Ten Commandments as in the Book of Exodus

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TMI might stand for Too Much Info, I dunno. But if you try to say it as a word, you sound like Timmy, the retarded kid from South Park.

LOL

TMI = tickle my intestineSorry, I don't want to tickle your intestine, even if there's not a commandment against it.

i hate it when people find out im Christian and think they can ask me any question in the world and i HAVE to answer them the truth, -cause they know i dont believe in lying. to answer your question pinkranger, -you dont have to say anything. you dont have to answer

just for trivia it might be interesting to note that apparently the same word for murder is hate in ancient Hebrew

websexinfo, the rest of the bible illustrates that the ten commandments are to show your incompleteness and helplessness to the sinful nature of man. its meant to bring the contrast between you and Christ. the ten commandments are meant to point you to God and draw you in. its not buddist equivalent of a way of life

I'm not sure how a list of do's and dont's draws one to God, but each to his own.

The versions of the commandments in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 are not quite identical, are they? In fact, the Hebrew, Catholic, and Protestant versions of the Ten Commandments are all different.

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13. Thou shalt not kill.

What does this personally men to you?

um... don't kill lol

Human life is sacred and I can't think of anything else on earth that can match it's value. Not land, money, fame, pleasure nothing. Like when I look back at these wars in history or revolutions. French Revolution was a complete waste of human life. People were out of control. Sure they were fed up but still. Same with wars that are just for moving in on other territories just to gain land. Would you really wipe out hundreds of men just to gain some land? That's pathetic. But I would definately say it's necessary for freedom and self-defense. If someone is invading your space or being a threat then I guess you have to handle it in the best way possible. Like most civil wars.

But people shouldn't go gun crazy like NEW YORK COPS. ughh...

But I would definately say it's necessary for freedomThe French Revolution folks claim to have been fighting for liberty, equality, and brotherhood. Under a king or queen (i.e., a dictator, but even worse, one who thinks God put him in that position), it was hard to obtain those things. Unfortunately people went a bit nuts, but at least they put themselves on the road to democracy.

Quote:websexinfo, the rest of the bible illustrates that the ten commandments are to show your incompleteness and helplessness to the sinful nature of man. its meant to bring the contrast between you and Christ. the ten commandments are meant to point you to God and draw you inI happen to think that the nature of man is good. Does this make me wrong already?Consider this, the ten commandments were given unto Moses and can be found in the Qur'an, the Old Testament, and was before Jesus Christ.If we were created in God's image, why would God make Jesus a means of comparison?

I happen to think that the nature of man is good. Does this make me wrong already?The Christian view is that man is corrupted and sinful...something to do with original sin.I don't think the nature of man is "good" or "bad", any more than then nature of a molecule or a llama is "good" or "bad". Anyone born with an average brain can be molded in many different ways and almost everyone (or everyone) is capable of the most hideous imaginable cruelty.People who are actors in genocidal cultures weren't born any differently than anyone else.

I am not religious and am not going to get into any sort of debate reading into it anymore.However the Ten Commandments are just moral guidelines which can't be bad. If all people followed them then the world would probably be a better place.I just tend to only follow one of the Eleven Commandments."Thou shalt not get caught."Can't be wrong there.Mr. Nuts

I understand your point.

Is state endorsed execution murder in the following cases?USA and its capital punishment policySaddams Iraq and its capital punishment policyHitlers Germany and its capital punishment policy

The problem with those scenarios is that they focus on whether punishment at all in particular cases is proper, rather than on the specifics of whether capital punishment is proper.What if one country puts to death a person for blowing up an airplane and killing a hundred people, versus another country that puts someone to death for publishing unpopular political ideas?And just because one country does a particular thing, it doesn't mean that it's wrong, no matter how evil the leadership. If Hitler drank water, it doesn't mean that drinking water is bad. Likewise, if Mother Theresa's clinics didn't use sterile practices to keep from spreading disease, that doesn't mean that it's OK not to use sterile practices.

As creationists are more comfortable with the "murder translation, as opposed to the "kill" version, I wanted to know at what fine line the taking of life becomes murder.

"Creationist" is non synonymous with "Judeo-Christian fundamentalist".For more information on where the fundamentalists and biblical scholars stand, google murder versus killing.Ineligible pointed out the commandment translation question in the King James bible. Some argue that having used "kill" rather than "murder" was correct; that the Old English version of "kill" had the intended meaning, but that the meaning of the word has evolved.If God is so clever, I don't understand why he could have had his work translated in a more timeless manner, less subject to the vagaries of language and its evolution. This whole argument could be resolved if we would receive a new version of the scriptures from on high, available in all modern languages. I suppose God finds it more interesting to see people chase their tails arguing over the meaning of words hundreds or thousands of years ol.Come on God, you could solve this problem with a wave of your arms, and straighten out the Koranic disagreements to boot.

You mentioned somewhere recently, Steve, quite correctly, that the Christian view of man is of something corrupted (but note, a very good thing that is corrupted). In fact this applies to the whole creation. Anything put into the creation inevitably is subject to corruption itself, including the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Reversing this by divine fiat would be possible, but it's not God's way. If it were, there would be higher priorities, and scriptures wouldn't be needed anyway.

Quote:including the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Reversing this by divine fiat would be possible, but it's not God's way. Yay! Another reason to plug!Humans have found a way around this silly little rule! http://www.steorn.net - Steorn believe that they have created a perpetual motion machine that defy the Laws of Thermodynamics!

Well then, Ineligible is wrong, and they are God.

Well by current beliefs, the 2nd Law can't actually be counted as a law since there is no way to prove it. Its a negative statement, "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed..." A negative statement cannot be proven (yes, I realise that that is also a negative statement) because there is no proof, only the absence of the alternative. Just because nobody has observed energy being created or destroyed, it doesn't mean that it can't be.

You're thinking of the First Law, which is essentially conservation of energy. Physical laws cannot be deductively proven - they are only inductively supported, by weight of experimental evidence.The Second Law effectively says that information can be destroyed but not created except at the expense of more information (this is the information theory version - it's more usually expressed in terms of entropy, that the total entropy of the universe can increase but not decrease).