School dances sure have changed.

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Just to be clear my response was about the sexualization of pre-pubescent children not teens and pre-teens who are becoming aware and curious of sex themselves. I'm talking about parents who encourage their second grade girls to wear lipstick so they're "pretty" and their first grade boys to be "manly" to "empress the ladies."

>>>"It has been observed by sociologist for years now that western culture has developed delayed or nonexistent adult hoods."

On that, I completely agree with the sociologists, though I may differ on the cause and effects of it. I contend that somewhere along the line mature adulthood became a negative. Immature adults then started living in the glory days of their pasts and forsaking their present. Rather than revel in what they have and where they are they only revel in what they where and what they did. That's a fools endeavor, and so as they have kids and are living through them, making their kids things they're not or things they may not be ready for yet.

All these things I'm talking about, I'm talking about in a societal context. Kids aren't raised in vacuum, so the actions of one parent impart itself on the child of another. A few parents pressuring their kids to be "Ms Popularity" or "Mr Macho" effects the peers of that child as well.

I'm setting aside irresponsible parents for the sake of this discussion... irresponsible as in, "mommy was chasing daddy around with a rocket tied to her..." (yeah that was a real conversation) or "I'm leaving early today so I can see mommy before she has to go to jail." Rather, I'm thinking about "responsible" parents, upstanding member of the community (relative to the community of course), types, mainly because they seem to be the worst about pushing sexualization on their kids. They seem to be the ones who forgo a real life, they seem to be the ones who most try to relive their youth through their kids and they are the ones that have the Disney Channel and such that produces these "kids" shows that their boys, and most especially, their girls are emulating.

I just wish I could tell the parents to get a life and enjoy it. Don't sit at home thinking about days gone by. Don't live through your kid. Be an example for your kid so they will know how to be an adult and how to enjoy it, even when dealing with the shit that life is inevitably going to throw at you. Get up, go biking, go dancing, go out with another couple, go to the movies have a few drinks and pull the stick out of your ass. Quit micro managing your kids and let them be kids.

>>>"It's weird and still leaves me wishing for some kind of explanation behind the scene."

Me as well. "Picture convictions" always remind me of the Calvin & Hobbs where Calvin had Hobbs taking pictures of him with a clean room (he had just shoved the shit out of frame) and with him holding a bat and glove (instead of his usual mask and Calvin ball) so that he could later in life show what a well adjusted, picturesque child he was. Without context any situation can be construed to impart the meaning an editor wishes to convey.

Though it's hard to imagine any rational for this video, for all I know, me being without sound, this could be a ring of daycare kiddie molesters it may not be sanctioned at all by any authority.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorRich liberals.Like Rupert Murdoch, the biggest liberal of them all! The exception that proves the rule.

That aphorism "The exception proves the rule" is almost universally misunderstood. It dates back to when "prove" meant "test" (as it does in the King James Bible). All it means is that an apparent exception is the test of a rule - one must examine it closely to see if it is a real exception, in which case the rule is disproved (in the modern sense), or whether it is not in fact an exception.The idea that a real exception actually "proves" a rule in the modern sense of "prove" is sheer nonsense. It disproves it.

Originally Posted By: thorThe exception that proves the rule. How about Disney? Although it may be perceived as irrelevant, Disney has a very strong conservative base and has a lot of influence over future generations.And there is also WorldNetDaily, possibly THE most biased right-wing major news outlet.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorThe exception that proves the rule. How about Disney? Although it may be perceived as irrelevant, Disney has a very strong conservative base and has a lot of influence over future generations.You're a bit behind the times, I'm afraid. The current incarnation of Disney would have old Walt turning over in his grave. Quote:And there is also WorldNetDaily, possibly THE most biased right-wing major news outlet. There are certainly some non-liberal news outlets...but I was speaking of the most influential form of media on the general public: the TV.

Walt Disney was a racist... and obsessed with the stereotypical housewife. He was turning in his grave when they made Mulan and The Princess and the Frog.

I love Walt Disney.. he created some of the BEST movies of all time!

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Walt Disney was a racist... and obsessed with the stereotypical housewife. He was turning in his grave when they made Mulan and The Princess and the Frog. I honestly doubt you know anything about Walt Disney beyond what you've been told to believe. Either way, it has nothing to do with the fact that, although Disney continues to make movies aimed at children, they have long since abandoned the family values they were once known for.

Originally Posted By: StephieJI love Walt Disney.. he created some of the BEST movies of all time! Even I had to go pick up a copy of Fantasia when it was released for the last time.

Your bullshit is getting madd old. Move on to something new. And this wasn't in class this was research I did on my own. But that doesn't count either.

I love Disney movies but it still doesn't mean Walt wasn't racist and stuck in a stereotypical mindset. It's like when people get defensive when they hear that Charles Darwin was racist. Doesn't mean he wasn't intellectual but he is what he is. It's not that big of a deal.

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although Disney continues to make movies aimed at children, they have long since abandoned the family values they were once known for.
Which ANIMATED disney movies are you referring to? I suggest you watch The Princess and the Frog. It was a nice blast of fresh air.

Quote:And this wasn't in class this was research I did on my own. But that doesn't count either.Where did you get your information? Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias. Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Move on to something new. Took the words out of my mouth. Only you could/would try to turn a discussion on signs of the times into a thread on racism. You don't seem to be able to leave that subject alone for long, and you don't even stop to wonder why you can't. Your demeanor since addling off to "higher education" has become increasingly angry and hostile...as if you've been made to feel the victim of thousands of years of opression (though you haven't lived nearly that long). Don't you ever wonder why you feel the way you do? Have you ever stopped to consider the possible reasons why some folks might want to make you feel that way over time by continually feeding you a twisted image of the reality you live in? Most people, when I was your age, were at least aware enough to be asking themselves those kinds of questions. Has the ability/desire to do that died somewhere along the line?

Why do u think he was racist???

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Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias.
Walt Disney died in 1966. I don't think you would have been doing much serious reading then.

If Abi did her research properly, she would not have just read current writing, but would have read material from the time. Old writings, even in magazines and newspapers, don't just all disappear. You could read those old articles yourself - you might be surprised at what you find.

Quote:Charles Darwin was racist evidence please

Originally Posted By: StephieJWhy do u think he was racist??? Thank you Steph for demonstrating the more rational and helpful response to Abi's assertion.Good questions are always more productive than reactionary diatribes.

Thank you. I didn't know it was a shocker that Walt Disney was a racist. It's not his fault, in his time many people were so it's not that big of a deal. It's just that many movies that he came out with played to the stereotypes that were put on Negroes, Indians, Orientals, Arabs etc in many of his movies. Don't get me wrong I love Disney movies, but it doesn't mean I agree with everything that was put in the movies.Same goes with Charles Darwin. The man was absolutely brilliant but for his time it was reasonable for him to be racist. Which he was. It's not something to go "OMG NO HE'S NOT!" It's like ooh okay well yeah just look at the times. Thomas Jefferson was racist too. Another big shocker?

Quote:Where did you get your information? Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias.You're not ancient. I have family in their 90s that have stories that will flip your world upside down. You really need to stop with this "i'm older than you so I know better". It's getting a bit ridiculous and I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. And yes I did get my research from OLD works and direct quotes.  Quote:our demeanor since addling off to "higher education" has become increasingly angry and hostile...as if you've been made to feel the victim of thousands of years of opression (though you haven't lived nearly that long).This is absolutely hilarious. I'm angry and hostile? And all this time I keep being told that I need to start learning to be more aggressive and taking things seriously. I have been absent from this board for weeks now. If anyone sounds bitter it's you. I'm enjoying school, and life for as long as I'm blessed with it.  Quote: Don't you ever wonder why you feel the way you do? Have you ever stopped to consider the possible reasons why some folks might want to make you feel that way over time by continually feeding you a twisted image of the reality you live in? Most people, when I was your age, were at least aware enough to be asking themselves those kinds of questions. Has the ability/desire to do that died somewhere along the line?Sir... I recently lost 3 cousins, 1 uncle, and 3 aunts in Port-au-Prince with my two baby cousins and my mom's sister still missing. I've been through hell and back again since the end of December. And I've STILL managed to keep a smile on my face and peace in my mind and love on my heart as I support other Haitians who have lost. I'm a cheerful human being as I've been told countless times. Yes, I've been depressed, but I'm getting through. Don't know what you see. And I really don't know what world you live in. I've gone through my oppression and still am. Not nearly as bad as my mother and the generations before me, but the fact that you think my age has something to do with how I act and what I experience. Maybe you still have some growing up to do AS OLD as you are. No disrespect, Sir.

I'm so sorry to hear about your family losses, Abi. To lose one family member is bad enough - to lose so many must be very hard to bear.

It really is. I still have a hard time believing it. Cause it just seems so surreal.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14It really is. I still have a hard time believing it. Cause it just seems so surreal. I suppose it would be. Believe it or not, I am sorry you've lost family members. I've lost a few myself (though not so many at once). While this makes it understandable for you to be venting around here, it certainly doesn't justify bad behavior.As for your comments concerning my age, you will understand...in time. Every generation since the dawn of time thinks they're on equal footing with their elders...and every single one realizes how wrong they were when they actually reach that age themselves. It's not a matter of perspective...it's a matter of experience; of which there is no substitute for. It's just the way things are. My point to bob was that the Disney of today is not the Disney of many years ago...they've done a 180. Whether Walt Disney was himself racist or not has nothing to do with that point, or the discussion in general. Usually on message boards, folks with separate points to make start their own threads on it. This thread was about how twisted our education system has become. I don't see the connection to Walt Disney (or anybody) being racist.