Obama's Vision for Government-Run Childhood

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The Hitler Youth? This man continues to scare the crap outta me.

Then you don't know much about the history of how such things came about. Obama wouldn't scare me so much if there were less folks around with their heads in the sand, playing Ostrich.

What I saw in that article was something I have been haggling with for a long time.As one of those "lower income" stay at home moms, I can't afford to go to work. I can't afford to pay the daycare, and fuel to go. I would have to make a minimum amount, just to break even, and in order to gain financially, I would have to put in plenty of over time. Now, my mother, is in a different income bracket. They have higher taxes because of the higher income, they have to pay for insurance, they own a home with maintenence costs, tax costs, and are not eligible for any government help. When they go to the doctor, they aren't on a sliding fee, if they need any mental health help, they have to pay for it. She HAS to work, so they can make ends meet because with their higher income, comes more responsibility. It is sad, but that is how the system is. As for the really wealthy moms not working. They are above the middle income struggle, they can just afford not to.

Nope. I see affordable daycare as benefiting the children who are there. Not every stay at home mom is vested in her kids, (my man's ex is a GREAT example of that!)and not every working mom ignores her kids.A child who isn't introduced to the importance of learning, and isn't stimulated young, doesn't get it ingrained as to how important an education really is. We can all afford a drop em off, and let em watch tv type daycare much easier than we can afford a preschool type setting where kids are going to learn and develop faster/better.I am all for more affordable learning environments. My oldest went to a state funded pre school, and benefited greatly, my youngest daughter went to a pre school I paid for, and didn't gain the same learning level. Go figure.

Originally Posted By: PepsiChaserI am all for more affordable learning environments. My oldest went to a state funded pre school, and benefited greatly, my youngest daughter went to a pre school I paid for, and didn't gain the same learning level. Go figure. I'm for more affordable learning environments, too. But it's always a shock to me how some folks have absolutely no concern whatsoever as to what is being taught there children, or to what purpose. Maybe you don't care what your children get taught (as long as they get taught something), but I do. I don't want my kids brainwashed. The current public education system has written certain things out of textbooks and pushed certain agendas for years. Once they get complete control over what is taught our children, and when, it's all over for this world. It was recently ruled in California that homeschooling children is illegal...now this. I know I'm not the only one who sees a pattern here...I just wish more folks did before handing the future of their kids over to the government.If the government were interested in making learning environments more affordable, they give us vouchers for us to use in the learning environment of our choice...not theirs. As it stands, the only way we can expect to have more affordable learning is if we allow our kids to be taught by the government whatever they want to. With all the greed and corruption most sane folks understand lies within our government, I don't understand how warning bells are not going off in the heads of most people. Communism...the Hitler Youth...whatever you want to compare it to, there is an agenda here to take control of what ideas of the world our children grow up with, to serve somebody elses purpose. Are we allowed to grow up as thinking individuals or only as mindless robots?

Am I reading this right.....is this article suggesting mothers should stay home and take care of thier babies instead of get an education and work? And how is this even related to Hitler? Like Pepsi said, some people cannot afford to work, while other people (like myself) can't afford not to work. It may be all fine and dandy for the rich soccer moms out there, but I have no idea how I would even pay my mortgage if I didn't work. Let alone pay for healthcare especially for my Down Syndrome child that goes to physical and occupational therepy every week. Yes, that's right, I don't get any help from SSI or the government for my disabled child. I can't even tell you how helpful Obama's plan would have been for me when I was a single mother. And major props to mom's like Pepsi that can stay at home. Frankly, I think I would blow my brains out if I had to stay home and cook, clean, and take care of the kids ALL day EVERYDAY. I mean, I cook, clean and take care of the kids anyway, but at least I get to escape to work for a short time. And it's funny, I didn't notice this article mention anything about the fathers' staying home. I can feel my blood beginning to boil over this topic......

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give us vouchers for us to use in the learning environment of our choice...not theirs

The government does do that. If you have a low enough income, you can get vouchers and send your kid to ANY private school of your choice. Another program I make "too much" money to qualify for.

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I don't want my kids brainwashed

You are insane.

I don't see how, having a choice of a private or public school is such a bad thing. You still have a choice, if you don't like what the public school is teaching, pay for the private school that will teach what you want. Hell, I am sure the KKK families send their kids to KKK related daycare because that is what they want their kids to know.
Parents just need to pay attention to what is being taught, and not taught. They need to discuss their values, and principles with their kids, so that they don't turn into "mindless robots".
If the parents choose not to pay attention then their kids are going to be "mindless robots" anyway.

Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43 Another program I make "too much" money to qualify for. My point exactly in the beginning. I am way under the poverty line and the help I do qualify for is worth more than I can make at a full time job, minimum wage...Ridiculous!I do qualify for cash aid, but do not use it. Groceries and medical insurance is all the help I get, but I could qualify for SOOOOO many more things. However, if I were working, I would qualify for none of it, and not even be breaking even with what I have now...

Being born brings you into a dangerous place.

I have seen many children brought up in Christian homes, who went to public school and hold on to the Christian values that were taught to them. I have also seen kids go to private Christian schools who questioned their faith MORE when they were exposed to the real world. At least the kids who are exposed to "both sides" as youngsters, give parents the opportunity to instill their opinions on the school/other world views before they get old enough to have a choice.

Every parent has the right to brainwash their child they way they want to, or to let the state do it for them....

how is evolution wrong? O.o im not a very religious person, but I have my own beliefs AND I believe in evolution. Anyways, I don't really know what to think about this issue, but I'm really starting to get sick of reading politics/government stuff on this forum

Originally Posted By: A.W.I agree with you thor. There is a dangerous pattern going on in our government. Our public education school system is a shame now. They are brain washing our kids that evolution is real, but religion is wrong. That's not brainwashing, its called teaching. What you just said there is probably the most ignorant thing I've seen all day. (Well, its on par with Thor comparing affordable preschool to the Hitler Youth.) Evolution is a fact, why are you so stubborn that you refuse to accept it? Why should people be taught religion in a class beyond simple World Education? Your country was founded by intelligent secularists who wanted nothing more than religion to stay away from public education and influence.Why? Well, quite obviously, because not only are all religions totally unfounded in the real world and are seriously outdated and ridiculous, but also because if religion is to be taught as fact, which religion should be chosen? Islam? Judaism? Hinduism?Oh but of course, when you say that religion should be taught in public schools you obviously meant Christianity. But why? Is it more valid than other religions? More scientifically sound? Or is it just your preference? You feel that public schools should be more to your likings. Why should such a selfish demand be met?What about all the people in public schools who are not Christian? Should they be converted or just excluded completely? Should people be forced to pay large sums of money in private schools simply to escape the education of impossible geology, impossible biology, impossible cosmology, impossible physics, impossible maths, etc.? Or can students be allowed pick and choose what to believe when it comes to education like Christians can pick and choose what to believe in the Bible? How many gays have you stoned to death recently? Or adulterers? Or rape victims? None? How dare you disobey the unchanged, ever-present and righteous word of God! But of course, you do not follow the Bible by every word, so if we teach children from the Bible, why should they do so? And if children are permitted to simply dismiss the teachings of an educated professional based on their own unfounded beliefs, then why bother have schools at all?I will not lie, my tolerance towards the ignorance fuelled by religious superstition and dogma is dwindling fast. The facts are on the table right in front of you and all you can do is hide your nose in the Bible, sniggering like a small child looking up "penis" or "sexual intercourse" in the dictionary. Please grow up, all of you who believe in this irrational nonsense. The world is bigger than a few pages in a book. It is bigger than a cross or a church. It is bigger than an invisible being answering, or ignoring, prayers at his own childish discretion. The world is bigger than you could possibly imagine, so stop imagining and just learn.

You're the guy that laughs at a joke that he doesn't get but simply mimics those around him out of fear of exclusion. I pity you.

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!!! "sexual" and "intercourse" are two different words damnit! (does anybody else find it hilarious that firefox tells you how to spell swear words? and demands that its title be properly capitalized?)and this is america bob, of course when someone mentions religion they mean christianity! because obviously there was never a lick of religious thought before christianity you Gaelic Celtic bastard!

Quote:I have seen many children brought up in Christian homes, who went to public school and hold on to the Christian values that were taught to them. I have also seen kids go to private Christian schools who questioned their faith MORE when they were exposed to the real world. At least the kids who are exposed to "both sides" as youngsters, give parents the opportunity to instill their opinions on the school/other world views before they get old enough to have a choice.Thank you!! These statements alone have made me fall in love with you. Honestly is has.BTW, I did a study on Charlie Darwin and I had no idea he was a racist little bumchock and he claims he wasn't a white supremacist. I would have never thought. But then it makes sense. Ooh Charlie.. why! Why Charlie why!

Yea I know and it gives me more reasons not to like Charlie, the dear boy.Keep it up Charlie dearest.

There are no words to describe how stupid that article is.Your way of believing this is somehow similar to Hitler is scary. Pre-school children being brainwashed? Really? Last time I checked, the pre-schools around here teach colors, letters, shapes, and numbers.So, I wonder what ideals you believe the government is trying to "brainwash" kids with?

Originally Posted By: Virtual_StarSo, I wonder what ideals you believe the government is trying to "brainwash" kids with? We'll find out after the idea is sold and your kids (if you have any) are "in place", won't we.

Thor, once again you are as thick as two short planksriddle me this... why does the right wing want to keep the poor down? God forbid that a mom and dad should go to work and leave Jr at homehitler youth? you are so disconnected from your own history learn more

Actually, "sexual intercourse" appears in the dictionary as one entry as it means something that neither words can explain seperately.