This is beyond ridiculous..

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I'm sorry. I can only imagine.. I feel bad because there's not really anything I can do about it. After my "incidents" I've gotten nothing but threats from both him and his loser friends. And it sucks because this happens all the time and NOTHING is done about it. =/ Quote:Because all teenage guys think that? Please don't pull that.

Free speech is a basic human right and freedom of expression is one of the most important rights that people have. Its pretty much guaranteed that you won't like what a lot of people say but they'll always have the right to say it. Which is why I absolutely HATE the new U.N. Anti-Blasphemy Resolution.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14 Quote:Because all teenage guys think that? Please don't pull that. I'm sorry but I feel that teenage boys are targeted for their sexual behaviour. Granted, they do a lot of bad shit and I'd never want to lessen the importance of that but (and don't take this as an excuse for their behaviour) they are under certain pressures that only manifest in the teens. Teenagers have to suffer the onslaught of hormones and bodily changes that do alter the mind. Sex, by nature, becomes a priority. Add that with the increase in dominance behaviour amongst guys, aggressive tendencies seem to emerge quite strong. Then there is general development of the guy, his upbringing, his developing social skills or lack there of. Traditional techniques of raising children may come into play in situations where girls and boys had segregated education. Now throw this guy, programmed with sex and violence, into a misogynistic world where as a teenager he has little to no responsibility for himself. His family feeds him, shelters him, gives him money and all they ask of him is to go to school.I'm by no means giving them an excuse, I'm merely trying to express how lucky I think we are that it doesn't happen even more than it does. And personally, because sexual activity like this is often restricted to the teenage years for the reasons above, I'm quite concerned about the guys who carry on this activity into adulthood. And for them (suddenly swinging back on topic) I'd rather they have an outlet for their rape fantasy that restricts them to a computer game than taking it into the real world.I probably haven't really gotten my point across here like I mean it and am about to be castrated...

I'm sorry, I actually meant something else by that post but I got a little confused (its late and I'm very tired) and it somehow turned into something useless.

Hmmm... I'd love to be able to explain myself but I feel that I'd just be digging myself into a bigger hole, but as you said, I really did ask for it, didn't I? Fuck it, I'll give it a go anyway because I really don't want to upset you or Abby or anyone else who has been effected by rape.

My views on rape (just to be clear): On par with murder. In fact possibly worse, I can only imagine that its like living through a murder (if that makes sense).

My argument about teenagers is that there are circumstances that increase the chances of sexual deviance and puberty is one of them. As for the line you quoted, god only knows what I meant by that... I don't even know what I was trying to say there. I think it was a stupid effort to deflect any anger at what I had previously said in that post, an effort that was obviously a mistake.

I really don't think I'm in any fit state to be having such a serious discussion, I'm obviously way too tired to think straight.

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I'm sorry but I feel that teenage boys are targeted for their sexual behaviour. Granted, they do a lot of bad shit and I'd never want to lessen the importance of that but (and don't take this as an excuse for their behaviour) they are under certain pressures that only manifest in the teens.

True. And in all honesty, I don't give a rat's behind how horny they are. Masturbate or something. Why does the girl/boy have to pay for it?

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I'm by no means giving them an excuse, I'm merely trying to express how lucky I think we are that it doesn't happen even more than it does.
It happens all the time. People have NO idea. Parents would be shocked what their children keep from them.

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I'd rather they have an outlet for their rape fantasy that restricts them to a computer game than taking it into the real world.

How do you know that the video game doesn't just stimulate the mind into fulfilling the fantasy? Like you said, all the things that teenagers have to go deal with doesn't actually playing the video game just give them more ideas? I'm not blaming video games but honestly I'm just curious as to how this is any better.

The thing is... when people think of rape they think of sex. No. rape isn't just sex. It's violent. Very violent. And life-threatening. Despite how badly the person wants the sex, once they resort to punching and slapping, it just reaches a whole other level.

I need to get off this subject.

thank god for video games... with out them we would have never figured out rape, murder, besiality, inquisitions, crusades, halocosts and alike

I think bob has touched on an important point.It used to be that men's thinking was laid down as the norm, and women were put down for not being like men. However, the situation now in the West is that women's thinking is laid down as the norm, and men are often put down for not being like women. Although some might consider that merely just retribution, I think it would be more just if both men and women were both accepted for who they are.I certainly have a problem when the actions of some who do wrong result in the demonisation of a whole gender - the "all men are complicit" argument. This view, though explicitly advanced by only a minority, does colour a lot of thinking, and leads to a lot of unnecessary fear of male sexuality. Women need to appreciate the drive that most men feel, as something that naturally comes with the gender and is not indicative of moral depravity; and they should also appreciate that men, teens included, can nevertheless behave decently.albeit, although various statistics are bandied about, they are very doubtful. Sexual abuse is defined very differently by different researchers, with some researchers including unwanted kisses, and some including any underage sex at all, on the grounds that underage people can't consent. The percentage of women who have suffered serious sexual assaults isn't one third or one quarter or anything like it. (Being persuaded into doing things against their better judgement is a different matter.) That is not to lessen the horror of rape, but to strengthen it. We weaken the word 'rape' if we use it for a lot of more common lesser offences.Let us also not forget (and a post elsewhere should remind us) that both genders are capable of rape.Whether games act as a stimulant or an outlet is the same question that has often been put about porn, with not very conclusive results (I think myself the evidence there is a bit stronger for 'outlet' than for 'stimulant').The traditional treatment for a strong sex drive was marriage. Men and women used to marry quite soon after puberty - puberty was later than it now is, and marriage earlier. We now have a wide and ever-widening gap between the two, and society isn't sure what to do about it.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousFree speech is a basic human right and freedom of expression is one of the most important rights that people have.Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are two different things. Don't you think folks should have a right not to be raped, or is that another one of your sacred and protected "freedoms of expression"? One's freedom of expression stops where and when one starts to infringe on the rights of others.

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Originally Posted By: Virtual_Star

It's a hentai game. Nothing new.
Nothing new? That's a more callous response than I expected even on this board.

Sadly, I'm not surprised...it was only a matter of time. You watch...next it will be animals. You don't think so? I think you're head is buried in the sand if you think it won't happen. It might even already be out in some parts of Europe.
Yes, it's nothing new. It is what it is; nothing more than porn. And yes, bestiality and other grotesque things exist as well.

The human race can be despicable, no question about it. But to think that video games or media in general are the only window of exposure to these things is burying your head in the sand.

I'm not trying to belittle the actual actions of what is portrayed, but I see it as nothing more than a virtual fantasy. Now the individual's response to these games or whatever, that's a completely different opiniated topic.

Originally Posted By: Virtual_Star Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: Virtual_StarIt's a hentai game. Nothing new. Nothing new? That's a more callous response than I expected even on this board.Sadly, I'm not surprised...it was only a matter of time. You watch...next it will be animals. You don't think so? I think you're head is buried in the sand if you think it won't happen. It might even already be out in some parts of Europe. Yes, it's nothing new. It is what it is; nothing more than porn. And yes, bestiality and other grotesque things exist as well.The human race can be despicable, no question about it. But to think that video games or media in general are the only window of exposure to these things is burying your head in the sand.I'm not trying to belittle the actual actions of what is portrayed, but I see it as nothing more than a virtual fantasy. Now the individual's response to these games or whatever, that's a completely different opinionated topic. I agree with Virtual on this cos I have similar thoughts.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14 Quote:I'd rather they have an outlet for their rape fantasy that restricts them to a computer game than taking it into the real world.How do you know that the video game doesn't just stimulate the mind into fulfilling the fantasy?That's just it...they don't know. They can't know. But it's far easier to rationalize away the truth and the potential harm that comes with it than it is to accept the reality that certain freedoms must be curtailed if we expect to be able to live and raise our children without fear of having their minds twisted by some folks who believe they should be allowed the freedom to do just that in the name of making a buck. But many folks will just bury their heads in the sand rather than admit it...which is why it continues to go on and on. That's what liberalism gets you. This is why it's so ugly.

beware the liberal rape squads roaming the streets

and again, per your reasoning, someone should decide what behaviours are acceptable among the population and prevent all other behaviours from being depicted in the media.
Make up your mind, do you want more or less government control?

>>>"I find your cold discussion of this issue repulsive."

Is there any other way to have a discussion about the issue, personal horrors aside, without it coming off as cold. Does being consolatory do anything to advance understanding.

Yes, last night we went wilding and turning America's young men into ACLU supporting homo's.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedMake up your mind, do you want more or less government control? Less government (liberal) control...more personal accountability and self-control. That means you and OldFolks have to decide to quit your rape gangs...which is hard to do if you don't have much in the way of moral fibre. Now if you were both a bit more conservative...

Who's going to be responsible for making Mr. U and I accountable if we wish to continue our media induced moral degradation of society? ...Roving gangs of conservative hate mongers?

Originally Posted By: OldFolksWho's going to be responsible for making Mr. U and I accountable if we wish to continue our media induced moral degradation of society? ...Roving gangs of conservative hate mongers? No. Quite simply, you will be allowed to wallow in it...hopefully far enough away from others that all your "issues" will not affect those who wish to maintain their freedom from its influences. Or do you wish to deprive others of their freedoms in the name of your own? Seems to me that's what you're pushing for.

\>\>\>"...then make statements that imply an ignorance I do not possess..."
I just didn't see that.

Obviously I don't have a clue about the stat's but I was wondering what definition was used in the 11 in 20 statistic. It seems frighteningly high that 55% of women will be raped. I'm not saying it's incorrect I'm just questioning it. If it is correct we have a much bigger problem than anyone is letting on. Further I don't understand the word "unwilling," it's either rape or it's not, isn't it?