Fellow Moderates, please vote for Kerry
i just had to find it funny that Steppenwolf goes to all the troulbe of this long and quite thourough, well thought out argument that is Pro-Kerry, and then the first Pro-Bush post is just "Vote Bush"
stepping out of US politics now, before it somehow infects me. have fun or something
I wont win? Yeah I know, you're female haha. I cant find the link and I'm heading outta town today & early tomorrow. I'll be back in time to vote. BUT I wont get the emails in time to matter, so I geuss we'll just see who wins the election.
I'm not really sure who started the anti-abortion post. I too don't believe in abortion, but I would much rather see women having them done in a safe, sterile, and clean environment than in an alley with a dirty coat hanger. I also would NEVER vote for someone whether they believed or did not believe in abortion. I'm more concerned with jobs and the economy. I live in Cleveland and this is THE poorest city (at least according to our newspaper) and the city with the most job losses. When I watch the debates, Kerry seems to have plans and new ideas, where as Bush just seems to point fingers. This will be the first election I vote in and I'm really glad I get to vote for Kerry.
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There is more I want to say on this, but I need to go to class. I'll write more tonight.
It's tonight... so let me add a few more things. In addition to fiscal and health policies, I believe that Kerry's flexibility and open-mindedness would add legitimacy to America's foreign policy. As a corollary to that point, such flexibility would benefit domestic regulatory policy as well.
While Kerry has been characterized as a flip-flopper, the other side of that equation is that he's seems to be more flexible and open-minded than Mr. Bush. This is not only valuable in war, where factors are constantly changing, but in domestic policy. In war, and foreign policy in general, we need a president that is capable of formulating new plans on the spot, rather than doggedly pursuing a defunct plan. I don't think that Bush is capable of admitting his errors, and as a result, he may continue commit the same errors out of pride. Judging from the debates and Bush's public speaking, I also don't think that Bush is able to come up with new plans on the spot--he gets stuck, and often appears flustered when under stress. He typically performs poorly in non-scripted situations. I don't think that this demonstrates strength; on the contrary, it demonstrates inflexibility and it weakens the legitimacy of our country by making our president look foolish or incapable of dealing with new facts and situations. On the other hand, Kerry has been able to speak more fluidly and appears better at adjusting to new situations. Kerry's unscripted moments haven't produced many awkward results (especially in comparison to Bush). Not only does this lead me to believe that he's more flexible than Bush, but it makes me trust his on-the-spot abilities. In a post 9/11 world, we need someone that can react IMMEDIATELY to unscripted events. Kerry seems the better man for this task.
On the domestic side, I hope and expect that this flexibility will translate into a more bottom-up approach than the top-down approach of this administration. Flexibility with our agencies lets them better accomplish their jobs without the fear of being fired by the president for discovering facts that he doesn't like. Agency heads should not constantly struggle to appease the president, and I strongly believe that Mr. Kerry will foster a more cooperative atmosphere with the rest of the executive branch.
Finally, although I prefer not to engage in this sort of debate, I take exception to the comment repeated by several posters that "no one is saying anything positive about Kerry, but only negative things about Bush." In fact, if you re-read this thread, you will also find that almost no one argues anything positive about Bush. Instead, we've seen a slew of "Anti-Kerry" comments, and, as CaughtMyFancy pointed out, Bush endorsements without arguments. Hardly anyone has actually defended Bush's policies. Sometimes, when you look into a crowded room, the only face you don't see is your own... We should all consider how well we fare against our own arguments before we criticize others.
Neither can I, it's all were getting on bloody UK TV
Lol. We're taking over the airwaves.
In reply to: Bush endorsements without arguments Heheh Sure, Kerry can think on his feet... but it doesn't mean anything if he has to re-evaluate everytime. I know I've made a lot of references to so called "flip flopping", but what he doesn't flip flop on is what worries me the most.He has not changed his mind about the soldiers having body armor yet he now decides he wants to stay in the war.He wants all out pro-choice. In fact, he approved the partial abortion bill 6 times. A person may be pro-choice but do they agree with partial abortion?Gay marriage... I have conflicts with myself on this issue. At one standpoint I think a gay couple should be able to receive the legal benefits of marriage... At the same time I think it's wrong for the two to be joined "under the eyes of God". Marriage is where religion and government collide.Unfortunately, I think the US is becoming overly secular and the people's morals are diminishing. No wonder why men like Bin Laden can convince people that his efforts are a holy war.
In reply to: Gay marriage... I have conflicts with myself on this issue. At one standpoint I think a gay couple should be able to receive the legal benefits of marriage... At the same time I think it's wrong for the two to be joined "under the eyes of God". Marriage is where religion and government collide.Kerry does not support gay marriage. He also doesn't support a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, but honestly, making a Constitutional amendment against homosexuals is excessive under almost any standard. The Constitution should not be treated like a political play-thing. Marriage has always been religious issue, and to the extent that the government is involved, it has ALWAYS been the state governments. This is Kerry’s stance; this has been the stance of the American legislature and judiciary for over two-hundred years; this is the stance of most Americans; and this is certainly my stance. I laud Kerry for fighting against opportunistic changes to the Constitution.In reply to: Unfortunately, I think the US is becoming overly secular and the people's morals are diminishing. No wonder why men like Bin Laden can convince people that his efforts are a holy war.That’s a baffling statement—Bin Laden is a religious extremist who has absolutely nothing to do with secularization (quite the opposite!). Furthermore, if you’re suggesting that Americans buy into his “holy war,” or are responsible for his "holy war," then I can’t agree—Al Qaeda has absolutely no support from either party. Terrorism cannot be blamed on secular Americans; that sort of thinking amounts to offering terrorists excuses for their heinous actions. As far as abortion goes, I also don’t support partial birth abortions. However, that is not the only issue in this election. It’s certainly not the only moral issue. War, poverty, healthcare—these are moral, religious, and spiritual issues. Voters must balance all of the issues, not just one.
lol. You totally misunderstood me with the Bin Laden statement.
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Terrorism cannot be blamed on secular Americans; that sort of thinking amounts to offering terrorists excuses for their heinous actions.
That is one reason they've been using the whole time. You're right, terrorism should not be blamed on Americans. It's rediculous if you ask me.
On a separate issue kind of relating too... I don't know what will piss terrorists off more. Kerry who stands for a lot of what they're against or Bush who is determined to stomp a boot hole into them.
As for gay marriage, I recall Kerry making a speech about supporting them. Or maybe he changed his mind because, after all, he has to get elected. Whatever happened to the part of the Constitution saying separation of Church and state?
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lol. You totally misunderstood me with the Bin Laden statement.
That's good--there are times when I'd prefer to be wrong. :grin:
Regarding gay marriage, Kerry is against legalizing gay marriage, but for civil unions. Thus, he would grant homosexuals many of the legal benefits of marriage, but he would not interfere with the religious aspects. The balance he strikes is virtually identical to:
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At one standpoint I think a gay couple should be able to receive the legal benefits of marriage... At the same time I think it's wrong for the two to be joined "under the eyes of God". Marriage is where religion and government collide.
Confusion about Kerry's views on marriage stem from the fact that he has been historically unwilling to back legislation banning gay marriage or defining marriage as an act between a man and a woman. This makes sense if you believe that the state should not get involved in religious issues.
It's bedtime for Steppenwolf.
Everyone (eligible) make sure to vote tomorrow! You might otherwise face the wrath of P. Diddy. :grin:
Did anyone happen to watch the SNL presidential debates? LOL-so funny! Bush Sr. Bill Clinton, and Ross Perot...so funny!
I wonder why all the people OUT OF THE COUNTRY want Bush outta there? Maybe a lil fear in there somewhere? I like the way Bush does things. I like how he takes action. The United States at one time was the most respected & most feared country in the world. WE got that way because we fought for what we believe. Republicans saw to that. Now too many years of Democratic rule have "softened us up." We no longer hold the respect & fear we used to. President Bush is instilling it once again though. I cast my vote a few hours ago. Lookin forward to seein the outcome, and lord for the sake of us all I hope Bush gets in there. I dont care whether you're for or against Bush evryone has to agree that Bush would make a better war leader than Kerry.
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The United States at one time was the most respected & most feared country in the world. WE got that way because we fought for what we believe. Republicans saw to that. Now too many years of Democratic rule have "softened us up." We no longer hold the respect & fear we used to
The US might have been the most respected country in the past but the USSR was probably the most "feared." They had nukes and they were unpredictable. Are they a country we should emulate?
Fear without respect is what Georgie is getting us. Whats so great about that? And why would a president without many major allies be such a great war president? Even though George is mighty proud of our alliance with Poland, Poland ain't paying the bills. You, me, and the rest of America is paying for this shit. Yeah, fear without respect is awesome :confused:
we have respect bro, a ton of it.
I'm watching close at the polls. It's lookin like we have Florida, and Ohio is lookin good also. STILL it's too early to tell.
It started raining really hard and my directv went out. Last I saw Florida was pretty much Bush's.
Yeah bro, we have Florida. Now we have Ohio! Things are lookin good. David Vitter looks like he's gonna win the senate race in Louisiana w/out having a runoff. Coudlnt have asked for anything better
We have Florida and Ohio!!! Welp, Bush wins.
They've projected both states, so unless something drastic happens then we'll definately win.
There are still 4 states that they project is Bush's. I hope there is no recount nonsense. I'm actually pretty surprised we got Florida considering what happened in the last election.
