Fellow Moderates, please vote for Kerry

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Let's minimize the "you don't know shit" talk from all parties. From experience, I have always found it helpful to post sources when arguing controversial points. It's not always convenient, but it tends to minimize unnecessary conflict.

Let me also make clear that I don't want this thread to be the source of animus between A2A members. For anyone who intends to post on this thread, let's all keep it respectful and decent.

I'm tryin to find it bro. I first heard it on the radio when they were having a political show. I had the link, but I'm trying my damndist to find it again. Hell I had it in email at one time!

the animosity between certain members didnt start with this post bro. Some members just dont get along with other members.

In my priorities, morals extend exponentially beyond money. Because my morals are greatly influenced by my spiritual beliefs, I don't find it appropriate to argue my opinion using them.In other words, I think Kerry's morals are out of whack just like his actions. He is a "say one thing do another" kind of guy and I don't know what to think of him beyond his strong stand points that also happen to conflict with my spiritual beliefs.

well in my search I found this link: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/15/100238.shtmlIt's not exactly what I was looking for, but it did shed some light on the "racism in blacks voting democrat" that I was talkin about earlier. I'm still lookin for the article. I geuss I'm gonna have to email some people & see if they still have it.

If you don't mind me digging a little deeper, on which moral issues do you disagree with him?

Actually, I do mind. I say this with no inent of offence.

In reply to: he is a "say one thing do another" kind of guy Regarding this criticism, although lying is not acceptable, changing one's mind is. In fact, I find it quite laudable for a politician (or anyone) to re-evaluate their position after discovering new facts. Calling “flip-flopping” a moral question seems questionable to me. For better or worse, I tend to assume the best on questions of character unless proven otherwise (our system is build on presumed innocence, right?). In the same way that I refuse to indulge in Kerry conspiracy theories, I also refuse to indulge in Bush conspiracies. In other words, I also assume that Bush has not intentionally lied or changed his positions (about, for instance, shifting rationales for war, and rumors that Iraq was on his agenda prior to any evidence about WMD or terrorism). I also won't indulge in Haliburton or oil conspiracies. I prefer policies over moral attacks, because I feel that politicians take advantage of our moral beliefs by pressing questionable moral claims against their opponents—it’s mud slinging, and I don’t buy it from either side. That said, I believe that Kerry changes his mind quite often, and that doesn't offend me. Rational people rethink their position when they encounter new facts and experiences. Indeed, Bush’s inability to re-evaluate his stance is something that worries me more than Kerry’s “flip-flopping.”

In reply to:Actually, I do mind. I say this with no inent of offence. Fair enough. I will press no further, and I certainly understand your reservations.

I just want to say that many of my reasons don't relate to his "flip flopping". Although, this does make me question his honesty and credibility. It also makes me question how easy it may be to influence him.

I'm not going to get into a political debate with anyone on this, but I thought I'd comment quickly anyway...I live in Massachusetts, and I'm definitely voting for Bush!! I don't think he's done a bad job as president, and I do agree with much of his stance with the war in Iraq... I also agree with more of his views than Kerry's...One thing that bugs me... (and I'm not saying all Kerry supporters do this, but MANY do...) When people tell me they're voting for Kerry and I ask why... all I hear are the things Bush did wrong... Which makes it seem like quite a number of people are voting for Kerry simply because he's not Bush, and I don't think that's a very good reason to vote for someone. For once, I'd love it if someone could tell me why they DO like Kerry rather than why they DON'T like Bush... I'm hard-pressed to find anyone that answers the "Why do you like Kerry?" question without mentioning a supposed fault of Bush. It just annoys me.

In reply to: For once, I'd love it if someone could tell me why they DO like Kerry rather than why they DON'T like Bush... I'm hard-pressed to find anyone that answers the "Why do you like Kerry?" question without mentioning a supposed fault of Bush. It just annoys me. That's often how incumbent battles are fought (that’s how they were fought in 1996 and 2000 as well). The fact is that we know much more about a Bush presidency than a hypothetical Kerry presidency. Why is this annoying? It's perfectly normal to focus on the facts that are available, and most of these fasts are related to Bush's tenure. Kerry offers an alternative to Bush’s vision. It makes sense to argue against Bush’s vision when you’re promoting its alternative.

Now now Steppenwolf, you still didn't answer the question. I'm a Bush supporter but just to help you get started... Kerry supports veterans and wants to continue their benefits they were promised when they once served. I think it's the right and noble thing to do.

It's funny you mention Kerry supporting veterans as most veterans I know despise the guy. I watched a show the other day that had several war veterans dissing on him.

Odelia broght up an excellant point though. I never really thought of it like. People wanna vote for Kerry simply becuase they want Bush out. What they dont realize is maybe Kerry wont be any better...

KILL ALL THE STUPID MONKEYS

Huh?

In reply to: Now now Steppenwolf, you still didn't answer the question. I'm a Bush supporter but just to help you get started... Kerry supports veterans and wants to continue their benefits they were promised when they once served. I think it's the right and noble thing to do. I did answer the question. I told Odelia why I was arguing against Bush to promote Kerry. I then went to sleep. I think the real differences lie with healthcare and taxes. Kerry supports a more inclusive health care plan, which I think better addresses the current health care crisis than anything Bush has put on the table (he hasn't really put anything on the table). With regards to taxes, I think we need to increase our revenue in order to offset these massive deficits. That means increasing taxes for the highest brackets (the brackets that received the largest tax credits under Bush). If we want to pay for this war and this deficit, we can't keep reducing our revenue. Kerry also stands a better chance of getting UN support for continued reconstruction in Iraq. It would help if the US could split the costs with allies--Bush hasn't been able to do this. There is more I want to say on this, but I need to go to class. I'll write more tonight.

GO BUSH, GO BUSH ! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

LMAO!! i aint voting for no one!