I'll give you that I have nothing to debunk this. I know nothing about history, certainly not that far back, and how those people could have/could not have known there were springs in the bottom of the ocean. I will say this though: If this is "proof" of your God's existence, why doesn't everyone believe in God?And, a side note: I thought modern day Christians only believed in the New Testament...? Or at least, there was some reason most Christians(all the ones I've met anyway) don't hate gay people, because of that one passage from Leviticus. I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't know.
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Proof God Exists
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My god the internet here is awful...anyway.
That's the point I was trying to make in my first post(though not very clearly, apparently).
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Right.
Or could it be that the bible has been reinterpreted so many times, that this 'quote' from God could be just another thing man has thrown in there? -
Originally Posted By: animefreak135My God the internet here is awful...anyway.That's the point I was trying to make in my first post(though not very clearly, apparently). Mine, too!
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Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43Right. Or could it be that the bible has been reinterpreted so many times, that this 'quote' from God could be just another thing man has thrown in there? Yep! That's my biggest issue with the Old Testiment.
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I was convinced of God's existence after I saw this video;
How can you rebut that argument!?
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As for a genuine argument;Aliens with far superior technology gifted him with the ability to walk underwater, or at least, told him about it.Sure, it sounds absolutely ludicrous but it is just as probable (if not more) than the argument that God showed him.
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god exists with faithby proving his exsitance you illiminate faithare you trying yo illiminate god?wow, you're a big old meanie!Lucky the Leprechaun exists, I just saw him on TV. Unfortunatly, he is rather impotent at keeping those kids away from his lucky charms.How has your god made out keeping his flock from sin and temptation (and lucky charms)?My god given gift of sarcasm aside, why would you wish to use science and exploration to prove the exsitance of god? It seems to me, that if you believe in such things, that that faith should be all you need. To search for proof reveals your own doubt. Personally, I think doubt is good but not of the devout would agree.
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Hey cooldawg. I'm pretty stoked that you're reading and digging and learning. That's exciting to see. Keep it up. I also appreciate what you just shared. That being said...as others have stated here (and actually shown), such statements will not always (or actually seldom) be received well. I think what you have to be careful of doing is trying to use Scripture to "prove" something to folks who don't view Scripture as having any kind of authority, or proof. Does that make sense? For the most part the challenges here are pretty respectful. I hope you can take them and let them strengthen your faith and your ability to give reason for your faith.
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animefreak, the Old Testament is as much Scripture to Christians as is the New Testament. However, it refers to the old covenant, not the new. Christians are not under the Mosaic law, for example.
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Ok, first I'll start with animefreak's response.
Well we can prove Job existed by going back to the original scripture archaeologists discovered. It was written in Hebrew and then translated. There's so much evidence pointing to Job's existence that it would be silly to suppose that he didn't exist. However, you do make a valid point by saying we may have interpreted this wrong. To alleviate that you would have to buy every single Bible available and come up with a consensus based on each Bible's interpretation. Then to further that, you could talk with historians and theologians for more study. And the chances that all of them interpreted in that roughly the same way would pretty much give a 99% chance that it is in fact what Job's intention was when he wrote it. It's too hard for scripture to pass right by that many people before their version of the Bible is published.
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To Unsupervised:
I do not doubt God's existence for a second. I posted this to stir up a discussion related to a God or no God. I wanted to see the impact of what I pointed out to the people on the board.
I don't think it's being unfaithful to go around looking for proofs to show to Atheists or people who are troubled with their faith.
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You remind me of my "spiritual" brotha. He's a great guy but.. here is not necessarily the place you want to discuss God, Christianity or anything having to do with religion. Bad idea.
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Quote: It was written in Hebrew and then translatedactually, it was written in numerous languages. But basically, it was Aramaic trasnlated into Hebrew, then Latin, then English, etc etc etcYou can't really believe that any one translation is perfectly accurite. Anything you read in a certain version of the bible has been filtered through several minds.what language do you speak?what language does god speak?you can believe all you want. that's cool!but it would be better if you thought about what others believe, then build an opinion based on information
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shaba! deep deep water.. hot water! get out man, I'm telling you.
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no offense, but how can I trust someone who spells accurate wrong?
I'm not going to get on bad terms with anyone here unless I were to degrade someone for their own beliefs.
But I've learned one thing from this discussion. Atheists will do anything in their power to find a fault in your statement. I mean now we're talking about the Scriptures not being true at all.
Considering we've gone 2000 years with a Bible and no one has said "Hey we looked back and this isn't what was written!"
If you can find me an article we're someone has, please show me it.
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Scriptures not being true at all. That's not what he said, he saying translations from one language to another, especially if that language has changed and evolved, can contain many flaws and inaccuracies. Also, these scriptures were written long after the events that occured. How accurate is a story that is written 10, 50, 100 years after the fact?
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Quote: no offense, but how can I trust someone who spells accurate wrong?that would be "offence"seems god made you as perfect as he made me
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Touché.
However, offense has two different spellings, both being correct.
I didn't know that Canada has a different spelling for accurate and offense.
So neither of us are wrong, I apologize.
I suggest we end this whole discussion. I have a bad feeling about it.
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Quote:But basically, it was Aramaic trasnlated into Hebrew, then Latin, then English, etc etc etcThe Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the Apocrypha mainly in Aramaic (a language derived from Hebrew), the New Testament in Greek (with a few Aramaic words). English translations (except for one or two Catholic versions that translated from the Latin Vulgate) are translated directly from the original languages, with reference to other ancient translations when needed to clarify a meaning.Of course there are problems with transmission of the original books, since copying and re-copying by scribes over many centuries brings in errors; but we have much better transmission of the biblical texts than of any other texts of similar age.The biggest problem is often where the original text has multiple meanings, and the translator has to choose one, where possibly all were intended. For example, in both Hebrew and Greek "breath", "wind" and "spirit" are the same word.
