I hate my mom

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I'd say you will sit there and wonder why your children wont talk to you and think you are a piece of shit when they grow up. Beating your kids is not the answer, you can argue that till you are blue in the face but your wrong!

i sincerely doubt chance beats his kids,disciplines maybe but not beatand if that kids going to be a fucking retard and not even apoligize for being such a dumbass he doesnt deserve a fuckin skateboard

You call it dicipline, i call it beating.

it depends on what happens, if its fisted sure but spanking no thats not beating,but he'll most likely elaborate

So just because you hit somebody with an open fist, thats not considered beating? I would consider beating anything that would inflict physical pain.

ok i had something like this happen to me befor it will all blow over my parents are more leanent with me tho but they did take down my door and put my computer out of my room but after i went in to then and calmly talked to them about what happened and why i wanted to go on those sites they talked to me calmly also and there was sorrys on both sides i honestly think it brought us closer together

well get over it good god spanking a kid isnt going to ruin their life

Ok, I will.

Your lucky your not my kid then.Your also wrong, i went to court to get my kids from thier mother after the divorce. My kids stood on teh stand and told the judge about how much better life is with me and not with her. Do ya really think that a kid thats beaten and doesnt love thier father would goto bat for him in a court room?Whats wrong with the world today is that parents need to bust thier kids ass once ina while and take responsability for thier actions. Fucking punk ass kids running over the general public, running thier god damned mouths and smarting off and talking shit, who does that hurt? the fucking kid and society as a whole.My kids get busted when they fuck up its not a constant thing, and I havent had to touch them in years. They learned that for negative actions there is a equal negative reaction.My kids get kick ass grades, the youngest is a fucking star basketball player for the school, and has alot of chances to do extra shit outside the school because hes well behaved and shows respect to people rather then being a tiny fucking monster. If they never acted up, they would never get thier ass busted. You can take docter spock and all the other pussy ass bitch docs and stuff thier books in your ass, if you were my kid, Id give a good fucking knock for talking to me that way. If your adult, Id tell you to mind yor own fucking business and put your on your ass to make sure you remember to stay out of mine.my kids have alot of extra, not because they demand it, because they earn it. They have backpacked 30 of the 80 miles of the highline trail, have every game system from the original nintendo thru the x box, thier own dvd players and tvs in thier rooms, thier own coputers and internet service, they get to go with thier friends boating and to lake powel in the summer because the parents of thier buddies know they will behave and not cause problems, they are constant guests in other peoples houses by invite, because of the respect they show and the manners they exhibit. They get invited to attend Utah Jazz games in private suites because fthey dont cause problems and i happen to know many people with too much money and free time who have connections to do shit like that. Are they perfect angels? fuck no, but they do behave, they rarely cause any major disturbances, and they show respet for other people and for other peoples things.Not everyone can say that about thier kids with out being a liar. I can and Im proud to do so. no they are not pussies either, my 13 year old has twice put two different kids in the hospital for fucking with him, he only hit either of them once and the first one out, the second being bigger then him he jumped on and beat him and had to be pulled off by several teachers. They go rock climbing with me and caving, Iv taken them on random adventures to Las vegas and Mexico and shown the many fabulous fucking things like the wonders of the grand tetons and Yellow Stone National park. They earned the rewardsf, the same as they earned all the ass kickings that got them the lessons learned to behave.If you dont like the way i rasie my kids, then fuck off, its not your problem, but my kids wont be a fucking drag on society, and they have the self conffidence to succeedf in life and go after what they want.Before anyone jumps my ass fff

Ok dude, you are the fucking man!!

I have a buddy who at 12 years old his parents used to bitch at me to get him to stop smoking when they bought his fucking smokes for him. he never had any reigns put on him and alwasy ran wild and free. there was a time I was so fucking jealous of him it wasnt even funny, that didnt last too long. after school he went to prison, swore up and down he learned his lesson and was straightening his ass out. for the last year i thought he was too, he worked his ass off to get ahead, started as the laborer on a construction site, busted his ass and got straight too, worked like a fucking dog till he was pretty much running the company on any given job, company vehichle, good money, trusted employee, the guy let him use his contractors license to do side jobs and get cement and supplies on company credit and pay it back at cost when the side job was done.
As of tuesday hes doing 5 fucking years abck at the state pen for parole violation.
went to a bar, got drunk (both against parole BTW) and then drove home and got picke dup for a DUI.
hes doing the rest of the sentence (the other 5 years, he already did 5 and this is what he had left when he got paroled) and he hasnt even been to court for the DUI sentencing yet.
All this can I believe be traced back to never having any limits or serious punishment as a child and never learning that there are prices to pay for everything you do. The worse ya do, the bigger the price to be paid.
Now Ill go see him once a mont at the pen and bullshit, slide some cash on his books so he can get some shit form the commissary, and not be able to see the fucker in a real llife setting with out guards bearthing down out ass for another 5 years, even then hes going to be back on parole, back under the gun of his PO and under constant watch for fucking up. he will also be starting over in life. Hes the same age as me, he will be 40 fucking years old when he gets out. Its not easy to start over at 40 with out a prison record, let alone with one. he already did it once how many people can do it twice?
his odds are not to fucking grand I dont think.
I refus to have this shit happen with my kids,f they can learn now from my experiences and fuck ups rather then taking the direct route and doing the time themselves when they are older. On top of all this, I had a job lined up for him, I already bid it at his prices, for 5 grand in cement and my labor setting the forms and rebar.
Now im going to have to take a big loss and basically do teh labor for free as i already have a contract for the work and anyplace else the cement is going to be his prices plus what I bid for labor.
he got violated on saturday, court on tuesday after being in county since then, and transfered to the pen on thursday. I bid the job 2 weeks ago and scheduled shit for next weekend on cement and my labor for wendsday of next week.
He fucked me and he fucked himself, as well as his kid who now wont see daddy for five fucking years since his ex wife wont take the child to the pen to see dad. when he gets out his kid will be 7, a little late to start a relationship, all over having a fucking drink he never should of had to begin with, all because he never learned to pay the price of your actions.
I think had he had his ass kicked a few time as a kid, it may of saved his life, not ruined it.

I have a coworker(& his wife) who never raised a hand against their kids. Grounding, taking things away for a period of time, etc... were their form of punishment. Yeah... now they are dealing with drinking, smoking, drugs, running away, trouble in school. Screw the pansy ass "can't hit them or that's abuse" modern crap. There is abuse and that is bad, but a spanking never hurt anyone except for the moment. I feel our society is on a downward slope because of this pansy ass discipline trend.

Fuck an A bubba !abuse is one thing, and there is a line. But, disapline is another thing. It is our reponsability to deal with , correct, take responsability, and teach our children. That includes punishment, and while I use groundig for some stuff, fits not the same as a swat on the ass, for minor shit it works great, but serious shit they get a busted ass.i had my ass kicked alot as a kid, yearsa ago I took a look back (oddly enough right after I had children of my own) and knew I had everyone of them coming. Throwing apples at cars, destruction of personal property, when I got to be 'bad ass' and took a swing at my dad, pissing off hte porch on the nieghbor kid...many many incidents of unappropriate behavior.I blame this modern age of no child spanked on fthe pussy attitude that its not ok to bust em when they got it coming.You cant abuse them, abuse sure as hell isnt done out of love, discapline on the other hand is done out of love.

hey now just because they never did that just doesnt mean that they will turn out bad i mean my paretns have never raised a hand aginst me and im turning out great i have great dreams of being a doctor im a 3.7-4.0 student and im 15 so its all about really how they are raised

I would say, the problem is that many people who opt not to spank do not substitute any other equally harsh form of discipline. As a child I never had a hand laid on me or had any idea what being grounded meant, but discipline was not lacking in any way. Mom, dad and granny all used what I call the disappointment method. There were many times I would have rather taken a beating than endure the constant shameful looks of shear disappointment from them and all the rest of the family for that matter. Don't get me wrong, there was plenty of screaming on many occasions but it was always explained why exactly what I did was wrong and why it brought such shame on me. Then after that came the looks of disappointment, they could last months. Granny was the worst she could bring something up a year later, give you they look and just make you feel like shit.I don't think any of that could be classified as mental abuse either because I never had any doubt that I was loved or respected even if it was, at the moment, in a somewhat shame filled way.Saying all this I don't really have a problem with people who beat their children, just as long as they enforce some kind of discipline. Anything more than just meekly and half-heartedly saying, "Timmy don't do that." Those are the parents I want to beat.

The spanking / no spanking debate reminds me of so many others, where people see what they want to see, emphasize data that supports their preconceived ideas (often based on how they were raised), and believe without any doubt that they are right.

Does anyone have any real data on spanking versus not, or do people think their own subjective, prejudiced ideas are sufficient? We're not talking about choosing automobile tires. We're talking about something a lot more important, but people seem to find any problem with running on their gut. Anyone can find one or two or n cases to support their point; it's easy to overlook the cased that contradict it.

I'll defer to Ineligible on this.

And where does one draw the line between spanking and beating? Would you "spank" your wife the same way, or is it considered a beating if you do it to an adult?

Heh... Funny that u think their problems are associated with not getting spanked.As I told before, I know plenty of people who werent getting spanked, and they arent doing drugs or bad stuff. They are great people.I also really dont know why people think that pain is the best "tool" for raising kids n stuff. I think talking to your child, praising them when they do something good, and use other forms of punishments when they do something bad is way better. it might be more difficult to figure out how to do all this, but I think the results would be way better.But who am I to speak? I don't have kids, so i cant talk from experience. But it's just what I think. IMO it's wrong inflicting pain on others when they cant defend themselves....

Pretty much any mammal can be sucessfully trained without being beaten. (Can you "spank" a cat?) I wonder why humans can't be.

honestly i cant get any real data on my theroy but it belive it is on how the child is raised you dont have to be spanked to be punished but its the parents that dont punish or go over the edge when the child retailiates by doing something bad but that is also just a theory another is it could be different with every child some might be able to be disiplined without a spanking but to others it may be the only way

mine are my own selfish preconcieved ideas, partly for how i was raised, partly because Iv seen too many people go down teh shitter that are not raised that way.
I know my way gets results, It works in this house.
spanking I dont believe can be done when your pissed, you have to leave, cool off and then talk and bust thier ass. striking out in anger reminds me more of abuse then discipline.
Just my own opinion.
as to spanking my wife, I dunno?
normally if i spank her its in the act of sex. shes never done anything that i thought she deservfed a spanking for so it hasnt come up, Im sure though if i asked her she would tell me to fuck off. She had been in 3 abuse relationships before me and one of them was 10 years in a marriage, she wont put up with anyone laying a hand on her period. Unless of course, its during sex, then shes all for it...sometimes.