I hate my mom

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Iv seen too many people go down teh shitter that are not raised that wayI wouldn't call that kind of observational evidence completely worthless; just quite worthless.> I know my way gets results, It works in this house.And what altentives have you tried? Connecting electrodes to the genitals of your children so you could give them a remotely-controlled shock at the appropriate time would also undoubtedly have resulted in disciplined children and disciplined adults.It's that same logic that makes the Mormons knock on your door. (In fact the bible encourages parents to beat their children with a "rod".)> as to spanking my wifeYou can think of it in the abstract. It's the idea of a guy hitting his misbehaving wife hard enough to cause pain, but not hard enough to draw blood. Nothing to do with sex.One would think that, for an important question about child rearing, someone somewhere would have done some research. (Here's some.) Here's an article, with this conclusion:In reply to:The question of whether or not parents should spank their children is not easy to answer. However, spanking is only one of the factors that needs to be considered in the overall discipline process. In deciding how to discipline their children, parents should first ask, "what do I want to accomplish?" If the answer is "teach my children how to make good choices on their own," spanking may not be an issue. Another article that concludes:In reply to:The research done by Straus tells us that if parents avoid spanking and find other ways to discipline, they are likely to have children who are easier to manage and better behaved.(I'd like to see the data Straus used to come to that conclusion, since a lot of anti-spanking articles refer to his research.) Another article.

In reply to:have every game system from the original nintendo thru the x box i thought you smashed the play station without ever buying a replacement?(wich btw,was going WAAAYYYYYYYY too far,i think.)personaly, i think hitting anyone (unless its in self defense) is totally and unforgivablely wrong.

I smashed the PS, and I never did buy a new PS, they did however get a PS2, and as you know, the PS2 plays all the PS1 games.Besides that, it was my PS, I let them keep it in their room because I didnt really give a shit about it and never played it, I got it as a gift, and I really could give two shits less about video games, I never did much care about them, even when I was a kid.Had they cleaned the room, they would of never had it smashed to begin with, they were told what would happen and chose not to believe me, I dont make idle threats so I had no choice but to carry it out.as for busting thier ass, they are my kids, Ill do what the fuck I please, its how I choose to raise them, based on my ideas and my beliefs, for good or for ill.

First Steve, that bible and mormon thing, that was alow blow, you know how I feel about that.
second i was fucking off with the spank and sex thing, I had never thought to think about the effects of spanking my wife and i was sorta shining you on, I didnt think youd answer that one, unless it was with a simplt sart ass remark, like the one I gave to you :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
As to have I tried other forms ? Of course I have. When I first had kids, I was young, 19 in fact. I think everyone when they are a kid says when I have kids I wont do this ! ill do it differently then it was done with me.
With alot of how I was raised, i do fdo it differently.
I tried all the grounding, time outs all that hsit the experts say. I got jack shit for my efforts. Especially with my youngest.
He tore the wallpaper off my brothers walls while i was there helping him put some concrete in one day, he never had any fear, never gave a shit about what punishments were handed out. Two things worked on him, aside form stomping the play station. spanking was one. The other one was when he knew he was flying to Frisco with my dad and his wife for a week with no mom or dad.
he continued to act up, he was warned several times I then tore up his nonrefundable plane ticket for that trip, that had set me back a few hudnred dollars.
Iv had much less problems since he figured out i was serious, and fthe spankings are very rare,
When we talk about me spanking, its different then talking about someone who spanks daily. I rarely have problems, and when I do a warning is normally all that is needed to put an end to it. spanking can not be a first reaction, in fact if its a reaction, its instant, and done in pure anger. Anger is not a good form of discipline. you have to have the discussion about why and what was wrong to begin with.
IF they dont know they did wrong, its different then if they are purposely doing bad shit. accidently spilling or screwing something up is jsut that an accident and not worthy of punishment.
spilling the milk isnt so bad, its an accident, leaving it to rot and stink and someone else to clean up is another story however.
Iv nevre hit them with anything either, just an open hand on the ass, after we had the discussion about why it was going to happen.
I really dont have the time to go in depth on my ideas and the why and how i arrived at them. i will however check in and discuss this as I get the time to do so over the next few days.
busy fucking weekend man busy weekend, and some work thrown in besides the shit i need to do for myself and family.

second i was fucking off with the spank and sex thingThis is an open forum, and not everyone knows the context.My whole point is that people's personal experiences, often colored by their preconceived beliefs, are not the final truth, and should be subject to scrutiny. That includes everything, not just spanking children.

I really dont know about spanking though. My oppinion of spanking might be biased, because of what I whent through when I was little. But that was abuse. My dad hit me of sheer anger, and he left me with bruises all over too... But dunno... A little spanking now and then(not leaving any marks) might seem like a good way to say "stop" or sumthing. I mean, I must admit that when I've seen some really uncontrollable kids I've thought that they needed a spanking or whatever to knock some dicipline into them. But dunno... It's such controversial subject. If it really helps, and If ur sure not to use spanking too often, I guess it might work in some chases. But still, i wish people would use other forms of punishments.And no.. Im never gonna spank my kids or hit them or stuff like that...

Oh, I got your point, i even agree with it after some thought. I dont have any study to back up my position only personal experience and that the other forms of punishment didnt work at my house, the sapnking one does. Its also my personal thoughts that the kid knowing he will never get spanked and not fearing grounding and loss of tv or computer or what ever has led to a decline in civilization. the worlds a mother fucker, the sooner ya learn that the better off you are. its sad, its also a fact. If the grounding and shit worked, i wouldnt of started spanking. Its the best method I have inmy arsenal, but like you said its all based on person opinions and those are formed by what life experiences youv had.
I have yet to read thru the articles you put up, havent had time, ill get ot em sometime over the weekend though, maybe there is something in them I can use or argue against, if there is, ill post it and we can take this debate from there.

Why even bother to post a topic like this when you won't even a computer to read the replies of the thread.