You might be right...BUT...the second link you posted refers to married folks, not unmarried ones. Even if you accept their interpretation, it makes no sense to apply it to a 13-yr old kid who's discovering something about him (or her) self, for example.
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Masturbation and christians
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Very true, as it more relates to married couples or gf/bf. But the CCC does say masturbation is against the faith. As is porn. So therefore it is a sin. I don't have the CCC with me, so i cant give you the words used, my apoligies on that part.
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The original poster is Baptist, not Catholic. There are Baptists who don't think that Catholics ("papists") are really Christians. I'm not sure where the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention stands on that issue.
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In reply to: Inevitably some things will have been lost in translation or, worse still, "spun" by translators who had a particular axe to grind. It's not really possible to spin a translation to fit your particular axe unless you are the only person, or one of a select few, who know the particular language. (Which, in my opinion, is the main problem with the traditional Roman Catholic practice of doing everything in Latin and not encouraging the Church to read the Bible in their language.)There are millions of Americans who know Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. I know several folks who are fluent in these language. Some who are considered scholars in the languages. Which particular passage about masturbation or sexuality do you think has been "spun" in translation? I doubt you'd be any more pleased with the "actual" translation.
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There are many millions of people who fluently speak, read, and write modern Arabic and Hebrew, and yet the translation of those languages into English is an art, where meaning is sometimes left to interpretation. That's far more true for ancient religions, where no on really knows the intent of the author, and meanings are often dependent on context. Aren't there disagreements between modern interpretations of the bible versus the King James version, where modern scholarship has had an effect on translation?Unfortunately, there is no one alive who is truly fluent in the ancient languages that the text of the bible was written in.
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There's one small town where Aramaic has still suvived, though for how much longer is uncertain.
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I think we've drifted off topic, i recommend you speak to your priest/religon teacher(if in high school) about this and ask for reasons behind what the answer is. And tell me if i'm right or wrong
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There's one small town where Aramaic has still suvived, though for how much longer is uncertain.After a couple of thousand years, I wonder how well modern aramaic speakers could communicate with ancient ones, if we had a time machine.
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You're forgetting one thing, the church was created to help guide the people to 'heaven'. Yes? Well then, if they say that masturbating is a sin then it is. Because the church represents Jesus. Thus, everything that the church says we shouldn't do, is concidered to have been said by jesus.
you're forgetting one very VERY important point. The church, like every orgasisation, is not immune to corrupition. In fact, the various churches of the world have a history of corruption. Not that they are more or less corrupt than other organisations, but as a group of humans, they are a mass of differing ideas, agendas and moral barometers.
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Very very true, and considering that Jesus told his followers to follow the church, if the church went corrupt, most likely the followers wouldn't say much.
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I'd say they're more corrupt, since they tend to run unchecked, until they're involved in a monumental scandal. People are more trusting of churches than thay are of most institutions. The temptation to abuse that trust is sometimes overwhelming.In any case, according to my understanding of Christianity, the "law" is the scripture, not the church. Jesus didn't seem to be into the big, institional church, with its loud prayers and singing. I find it hard to believe that he'd care what the pope or the president of the Southern Baptist Convention think.
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possible research experiment...the ratio of priest/alter-boy relations to senitor/intern relations
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Well, wasn't St. Peter the rock which the church was to form, or something like that? Just because the church and it's customs weren't around a the time of Jesus' life, doesn't mean he didn't care.
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In reply to:according to my understanding of Christianity, the "law" is the scripture, not the churchThis is an important Catholic/Protestant issue. The Roman Catholic church places high importance on the teachings of early Christian commentators and the Church; the Protestant churches give them a lower status. Most Protestant churches consider individual interpretation of the Scriptures paramount.
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> considering that Jesus told his followers to follow the church
Where'd He say that?
He did say this in Matthew 23:39:
In reply to:
For I tell you, you will not see me from now on, until you say,'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!'"
Interpret that as you will.
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Well, wasn't St. Peter the rock which the church was to form, or something like that?You must be talking about Matthew 16. Here's an essay on the topic: Is Peter the Rock? It shows the difficulty in translating the ancient languages. It concludes that the answer could very well be "no". (Warning: The essay makes reference to the "Q" document.)
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If you hate Christianity, thus anti-Christ - which apprently you can do, but you just can't hate on the other ones, what's the point of studying organized religion? It just doesn't really make sense. No offense - but I never saw an Atheist, I think that's what those cunts are called, study a religion, in which, they don't believe in.
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Well, that is very interesting, but if im not mistaken, didn't he create the first church? I mean Paul's church was the one that made it all the way to modern days thanks to constantine, but still, didn't Peter make the first church?
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Paul is not Jesus. One could argue that Paul twisted Jesus' message into a pretzel, not that many decades after Jesus' death.____________________Converse22, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Im a cunt because I think for myself rather then follow the pope or any other looney and let them do my thinking for me ?Im glad there are sheep like you, us wolves need to eat. Your wrong as well, I have done a great deal of study on many different churches. You cant form an opinion on what you dont understand, besides its good to know your enemys when they confront you and tell you you need to be saved.I busted the dog fuck out of my hand today, Im glad your not near me or Id have to add injury upon it and slap the shit out of you.
