Masturbation and christians

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You're forgetting one thing, the church was created to help guide the people to 'heaven'. Yes? Well then, if they say that masturbating is a sin then it is. Because the church represents Jesus. Thus, everything that the church says we shouldn't do, is concidered to have been said by jesus.

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you're forgetting one very VERY important point. The church, like every orgasisation, is not immune to corrupition. In fact, the various churches of the world have a history of corruption. Not that they are more or less corrupt than other organisations, but as a group of humans, they are a mass of differing ideas, agendas and moral barometers.

Very very true, and considering that Jesus told his followers to follow the church, if the church went corrupt, most likely the followers wouldn't say much.

I'd say they're more corrupt, since they tend to run unchecked, until they're involved in a monumental scandal. People are more trusting of churches than thay are of most institutions. The temptation to abuse that trust is sometimes overwhelming.In any case, according to my understanding of Christianity, the "law" is the scripture, not the church. Jesus didn't seem to be into the big, institional church, with its loud prayers and singing. I find it hard to believe that he'd care what the pope or the president of the Southern Baptist Convention think.

possible research experiment...the ratio of priest/alter-boy relations to senitor/intern relations

Well, wasn't St. Peter the rock which the church was to form, or something like that? Just because the church and it's customs weren't around a the time of Jesus' life, doesn't mean he didn't care.

In reply to:according to my understanding of Christianity, the "law" is the scripture, not the churchThis is an important Catholic/Protestant issue. The Roman Catholic church places high importance on the teachings of early Christian commentators and the Church; the Protestant churches give them a lower status. Most Protestant churches consider individual interpretation of the Scriptures paramount.

> considering that Jesus told his followers to follow the church

Where'd He say that?

He did say this in Matthew 23:39:

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For I tell you, you will not see me from now on, until you say,'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!'"

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Interpret that as you will.

Well, wasn't St. Peter the rock which the church was to form, or something like that?You must be talking about Matthew 16. Here's an essay on the topic: Is Peter the Rock? It shows the difficulty in translating the ancient languages. It concludes that the answer could very well be "no". (Warning: The essay makes reference to the "Q" document.)

If you hate Christianity, thus anti-Christ - which apprently you can do, but you just can't hate on the other ones, what's the point of studying organized religion? It just doesn't really make sense. No offense - but I never saw an Atheist, I think that's what those cunts are called, study a religion, in which, they don't believe in.

Well, that is very interesting, but if im not mistaken, didn't he create the first church? I mean Paul's church was the one that made it all the way to modern days thanks to constantine, but still, didn't Peter make the first church?

Paul is not Jesus. One could argue that Paul twisted Jesus' message into a pretzel, not that many decades after Jesus' death.____________________Converse22, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Im a cunt because I think for myself rather then follow the pope or any other looney and let them do my thinking for me ?Im glad there are sheep like you, us wolves need to eat. Your wrong as well, I have done a great deal of study on many different churches. You cant form an opinion on what you dont understand, besides its good to know your enemys when they confront you and tell you you need to be saved.I busted the dog fuck out of my hand today, Im glad your not near me or Id have to add injury upon it and slap the shit out of you.

Are you kidding me? Not only, you've broken a forum rule, you've broken a law. Good job. Dick.

You're just like Organized Religion - one shoves the belief of god, while the other one shoves their belief there isn't one. That's what I thought. Cunt.

Oh - I don't really care about your damn long essay style writings; write me a paragraph about some dog getting hit, and I'll glock you to the floor.

Don't hurt animals.

Ahh - Sorry, GravityKiller. I'm just fucking pissed like a demon!!Fuck it, I'll pm you. So damn tired, best frind in hospital.Sorry for unleashing my rage on you! Any whom; contiue on.

I was about to complain that your poetry had been lacking lately... thanks for this!

it is poetry isnt it ?I havent had time as of late due to work, but that ended when the asshole owner shut the doors and went skiing in eurpoe for a few weeks and shit canned all of his employees, even those that had been around for 20+ years and told us we can come back in march, that led to the anger, and my current broken hand. Its ok I should be healed up enough to wreak some major damage to a certain fuckhead upon his return to the US. Besides it was my right hand I busted up, and it was never the one that did all the damage to faces and bone structures in the past, watch out for the left !

wait wait wait, I got the PM, that shits settled, however, I busted the dogfuck out my hand, I didnt bust the fuck out of a dog, aside from that what law did I break? I said I was glad you were not here as Id have to slap the shit out of you, thats not a threat, belive me I know teh difference, I walk that razors edge daily in my real life, sometimes I stray over it and knock the shit out of some asshole that needs it.I never did much care for rules and laws, I do what I like.my essay style rants have been reffered to as a "cluster fuck of words"I dont think they meant it aht way, but I take it as a compliment

Psh, for sure! I've had serious fights - not badly enouugh for bone breaking, but you get the idea Your ramble of words can be useful!Take all the compliments that are needed But for now, I'm going to go sniff a line of coke, get blazed, and finish up my Biology homework - hey, someone needs to dissect

"You're forgetting one thing, the church was created to help guide the people to 'heaven'. Yes? Well then, if they say that masturbating is a sin then it is. Because the church represents Jesus. Thus, everything that the church says we shouldn't do, is concidered to have been said by jesus. Jesus couldn't relate to modern times 2000 years ago, thats why there is a church that constantly adapts to the times and makes rules that are easier for us to understand. Saying that masterubation isn't mentioned in teh bible is just a way for christians to still think that there not sinning even though they are."I just dont know where to start with load of rubbish

I'll be praying for ya buzzie...

Please, don't call what I have learned rubish without supporting information to back it up.