Why Do Nice Guys Finish Last?

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I think you're being harsh towards him right now. There are many people who don't know what OCD really is and call things OCD when they are not. This is demonstrated by the fact that people told him what he was doing was because of OCD. He's not lying; he's merely ignorant of this topic. You don't have to get on his case about it.

He's not lyingYes, he is. Not necessarily about this whole "I didn't know what OCD is", because obviously, he doesn't. He's lying about everything. Look behind him every 15 steps, for example.

i do look behind myself every 15 steps, and alot of u guys cause me soo much anxiety by calling me a liar in every single post i make that you come across.i come to a2a for help and advice and the only person really helping me is ineligible.as someone who is more intelligent in a certain subject, you have the responsibility of explaining it to those less fortunate of knowing it...just as i would help someone if they needed help with writing a song, or some basic rules for writing lyrics,and if you feel that, that isnt a responsibility of your own, then you are ignorant of culture in the world...being people you are required to share your thoughts and experiences with others and that is how you grow as people in the world...if you shun every person who doesnt know as much about one perticular subject as u do, than your doomed to know of only one thing...i want to learn of everything, or at least absorb as much as i can, and i cant do that with everyone calling me a damn liar every other post...by the definition that ineligible gave me, and by the definition of doctors and psychiatrists, I HAVE OCD!i get anxiety whenever my money is not in a perticular order, THAT IS OCD, i cant stand it, it drives me nuts and the only time that i can calm myself, is once its been fixed... my definition of ocd is something you have to do, and cannot control doing it, and if u stop it, you go crazy...the 15 steps thing is only when im by myself or with someone who wouldnt be able to offer me any help if i were to be approached/attacked from behind,i cant stop the reoccuring thought in my head of being stabbed from behind my back... ive seen 3 of my friends get stabbed that way, all because they didnt turn around and look... maybe its a phobia, but i wont claim for shure that, thats an ocd.please stop harassing me, its making me want to leave a2a, if i cant even use A2A as a place to escape this terrible modern day real world life, then where else am i supposed to go?

I know you're responding to LTTA but I couldn't let this part go...

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being people you are required to share your thoughts and experiences with others and that is how you grow as people in the world...

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i want to learn of everything, or at least absorb as much as i can, and i cant do that with everyone calling me a damn liar every other post...
This is what I don't understand about you. In one hand, you have this "I wanna learn" attitude. But on the other, when you're wrong and corrected, you turn around and fight until the bitter end when you feel you're right/give up, even though you're clearly wrong or until you finally get it. It's all the time. When you say A, someone will say B, and then you get all defensive.

It's moments like these that make it hard for me to take you seriously because you're so wishy washy.

i just want to know why im wroung, if you explain it to me, instead of just saying your wroung, and i understand it, then ill admit that im wroung...if i woulda just gave up for this post, than i never woulda read ineligibles post, you never woulda read mine, and so on and so forth,i feel that you should fight for what you believe in, i think we were all taught that...

Quote:i just want to know why im wroung, if you explain it to me, instead of just saying your wroung, and i understand it, then ill admit that im wroung...Lol, but I do try to explain but you still continue to say nay. Like in our last argument, I tried to explain that the foreskin only applies to the glans, not the entire penis, therefore not adding any more girth. I try to make it as simple as black and white, but for some reason, you either don't get it or just refuse to believe it.  Quote:i feel that you should fight for what you believe in, i think we were all taught that... Yes, we are taught to fight for what we believe in, as in our beliefs. Facts are NOT beliefs, that's the difference. That's where you get confused.

the penis thing, i cant explain to you, i cant figure out a way to word it... i think it adds to it, but maybe it doesnt... w.e. im wroung... then

Quote:the penis thing, i cant explain to you, i cant figure out a way to word it... i think it adds to it, but maybe it doesnt... w.e. im wroung... then My point exactly.

Originally Posted By: Virtual_Star  Quote:i feel that you should fight for what you believe in, i think we were all taught that... Yes, we are taught to fight for what we believe in, as in our beliefs. Facts are NOT beliefs, that's the difference. That's where you get confused. I could get into a lengthy, philosophical discussion about whether facts are beliefs, but I won't, since it wouldn't be practical :-P

Please don't try to label things as facts when you have no proof whatsoever. You have never met him, so don't say he's lying when you have no clue what you're talking about. There are lots of types of people and you have no idea what it is to be like him, so you have no say in whether what he says is true or not. From what he has said, it seems very likely that he could be telling the truth. Until you provide evidence that is contrary, his testimony is to be considered. Maybe if you'd see what he's saying instead of what you'd want to see, you would understand that his phobia-like condition is a possible outcome of his past experience.

I think that's well said. We should not be quick to call someone a liar. Many things that seem unlikely turn out to be true.We should also be aware that sometimes the problem is that what is said is not exactly what is meant. We may have to get behind the literal meaning to the concept in the mind of the writer.But when replying, we should be careful to explain what we mean clearly, and in a way that avoids confrontation as far as possible. A flat "you're wrong" is unlikely to convince the other side!

I already said I don't have proof that he is lying, but he knows he's lying, which is all I need. I want to get him to stop lying because it's stupid and wrong. I really don't care if you believe me or not, since like I said, GrownPastMyYears knows what I'm talking about, so I already got my message across.@Grown: And stop trying to play the victim here. It may be fooling people like Cider, but not me (and Virtua_Star, for that matter).

I didn't even see Pete's post...Pete, if you want me to stop, just tell me. If you guys really want to feel sorry for this kid and continue to believe him, then that's your loss.

there not feeling sorry for me, and im not playing victim, im simply pointing out a FACT to you... you are constantly calling me a liar, and saying im wroung "with no substantial evidence" if i am wroung then explain it to me.i can sit here and rant about all my problems but i dont. i have health issues, yes. my therapist said it her self "you've been through so much, you have a tendency to have really high, highs, and super low, lows." which is completely true, one moment ill be happier than a bird flying through blue skies with a belly full of worms, then the other, ill feel like the worm inside it's belly...she said "the most possible cause of this, is the fact that you've lost alot of close people to you in a short amount of time"also true. its difficult losing 30 people within the course of what? about 2 1/2 years? and the first person i lost close to me was in 6th grade, then the next in 8th, (i skipped 7th) and all the rest there after were from 8th grade summer, to 10th grade start.@cider, i appreciate you backing me up, or at least putting in a positive word, your right in the sense of the way i say things, which is kinda shocking, only other person thats realized that is ineligible. @virtual, i dont understand what you mean by my point exactly, (i think thats what u said, its 3:30 here so... yea) i have that belief because many times, ive played around with myself (inna non sexual way)and i am able to grab on the back of my shaft, quite a bit of extra skin, when i pull it tight, i do lose girth, which is why i have that belief... ive seen quite a bit of guys who are like that as well, and ive done rigorous searching online to get an answer as to whos right and who's wroung. i've come up short on both ends...the only theoretical way of proving this as fact or fiction, would be to get a group of uncercumsized people with extra foreskin, and have them get a tight circumsition, and measure the befores and afters...problems with this study is that, guys that are uncut with extra foreskin, do not want to get cut... so its so difficult to make either accusation... and i didnt type all of that to say that im right, and your wroung, i typed it to say, if im wroung im wroung, but for now, Lets both agree to a truce, until the next topic arises...

and saying im wroung "with no substantial evidence" if i am wroung then explain it to me.Like Virtual_Star said, everytime people try to tell you you're wrong, you don't listen and insist you're right.For example, holding in your shit makes you absorb nutrients better? People were trying to tell you that's ridiculous, but "you knew better".And I've said multiple times I have no substantial evidence, except that I can tell when someone is lying, and I know for a fact that you are. You may think that because other people don't see it that it's still ok to lie, but it's not (and believe me, there are other people who know you're lying, too).> i can sit here and rant about all my problems but i dontAt least you won't until someone mentions it and you will happen to have the same problem, except worse than that person, right?> she said "the most possible cause of this, is the fact that you've lost alot of close people to you in a short amount of time"Another example of you lying. That's not what a therapist would say.Oh, and 6th - 10th grade doesn't come out to be 2.5 years.

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and saying im wroung "with no substantial evidence" if i am wroung then explain it to me.
Again, when I try to explain it to you, you either don't get it or don't want to believe it. I don't know how much simpler I can type it. You get defensive and I have no idea why. It's like you want to be right, even though I and other people will tell you otherwise. Even when it's 10 against one, you'll fight to the bitter end. And the sad thing is, the more you do that, the more idiotic you look. So tell me, how am I supposed to respect someone like that?

I'm not perfect or intelligent by any standard and I'm wrong a lot of times. I encourage everyone to correct me, so I can learn myself. But you don't see me fighting with everyone on this board nor type ridiculous posts that never make logical sense like the way you do. When I don't know something, I either say so or don't say anything at all. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, because no one can know everything. But there's no reason to get so defensive.

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i can sit here and rant about all my problems but i dont. i have health issues, yes. my therapist said it her self "you've been through so much, you have a tendency to have really high, highs, and super low, lows."

which is completely true, one moment ill be happier than a bird flying through blue skies with a belly full of worms, then the other, ill feel like the worm inside it's belly...

she said "the most possible cause of this, is the fact that you've lost alot of close people to you in a short amount of time"

also true. its difficult losing 30 people within the course of what? about 2 1/2 years? and the first person i lost close to me was in 6th grade, then the next in 8th, (i skipped 7th) and all the rest there after were from 8th grade summer, to 10th grade start.
What's your point? I never understood why you felt you had to say that every now and then. I get it, you had people close to you die. That's terrible, but everyone has or will go through that. And almost everyone has problems. You're not the only one, so don't use that as a sob story to get people to feel sorry for you or whatever.

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@virtual, i dont understand what you mean by my point exactly
And I'm not suprised. But I'm always in amazement on how oblivious a single person can be.

Man, I don't know. I tried to be patient with you and give you the benefit of a doubt to prove me wrong, but it's always the same with you, so I give up. I'm not being "mean" to you, I'm just being purely honest. I simple don't have any respect for you. I really tried, but I just can't do it. And how can I? You're the guy who believes if you hold in your crap, you'll gain weight. The same guy who said you won't catch an STD if you drink olive oil. The same guy who said you'll grow taller by stretching. The same guy who said uncut men have more girth because of their foreskin.

What's even more fustrating, you acutally sit there and ask why you're always getting picked on. I mean, come on, are you serious? You really need to ask? It's because you have the audacity to defend these claims when you're clearly wrong. Even when it's explained so easily that child could understand, you still wonder. I just have a hard time believing someone can be that unaware of his own actions.

You're just unbelieveable.

Quote:You get defensive and I have no idea why. It's like you want to be rightSurely this is human nature? Most people, if flatly contradicted, get defensive. It then turns into a matter of winning or losing, and people don't want to lose.It seems to me to be unrealistic to expect to win an argument by the other person agreeing he was wrong. It doesn't often happen. If you've said what you have to say, and the other person hasn't accepted it, if you have no new points to make, just leave it. Other people will make their own judgement. Quote:It's like you want to be right, even though I and other people will tell you otherwise.A lot of these arguments have been just flat assertions on both sides. After "'Tis!", "'Tisn't!", "'Tis!", "'Tisn't!" have been repeated several times it gets rather pointless. And worse, it deteriorates to name-calling, which Grown has avoided rather better than others.

I have been told to let this fool continue his lying without me reminding him that he's doing it.Fine.

i skipped 7th grade, and i think i a\said at least consistently for 2.5 years... but i cant recall it... and this new keyboard is annoying me (my nephew spilt juice on it, and it fried the keyboard.)

I'm not sure, but you two might be arguing about different things in the girth situation. It seems like you might be arguing that in general, people who are uncut do not have more girth. Though he might be arguing that the stretching caused by being circumcised prevents the skin from being closer together, thereby giving more girth (although probably less than a millimeter).