Putin nuclear threat

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...4/wputin104.xmla little scary, especially for us britsi really hope this situation doesnt elevate...any thoughts?

You're British?

yeah...all european blood [half irish quarter austrian quarter polish] and i live in england

It seems we are going back to the Cold War. Russia under Putin has been taking a stance in international questions that has been opposed to that of Western Europe. In consequence it has been distrusted, and there have been no invitations to become associated with NATO or the European Community. This has caused a greater feeling of isolation and hence paranoia.

I hope he's not.American Can't be the Bully forever. Someone has to stand up to Bush.

First why do you hope he isnt bluffing?
I mean the cold war, fuck oh jesus those were good times !
teh econemy was good, the threat was there that made life worth living. Im 36 now, I remember life during the "war" with mother russia, I have to say, its really slipped since they went all fucking friendly.
A good old cold war would be good for life in the US.
I can also see putins side of it, the last thing I fucking trust is the american government.
There are a few things I never could believe
A woman when she weeps
A merchant when he swears
A thief who says he'll pay
A lawyer when he cares
A snake when he is sleeping
A drunkard when he prays
I don't believe you go to heaven when you're good
Everything goes to hell, anyway...
Laissez-faire mi amour, se la vie
Shall I return to shore or swim back out to sea?
The world don't care what a soldier does in town
It's all hanging in the windows by the pound

I hope he isn't bluffing, because like I said, America is getting beyond out of hand right now, and no one else is willing to stand up. The democrats aren't doing their jobs, Bush is being an ignorant hick, and the rest of the world is hating and bending over to get more. If this Bush and the moronic politicians don't get it through their head that they AREN'T God incarnate, and head of the world, then there are going to be serious problems and more lives lost. If Russia comes in and says "Okay, we're building again" then maybe they'll finally realize that this cannot be tolerated on the international community as the play school bullies. Did you know, that Every week back when I worked for the Government of Israel I had to file reports back to Washington to show that the research at the station was not a threat to America? WTF is that? I don't want to see America in another cold war, because you know what? We can't be. All of our troops are in Iraq and if something does happen to America, Americans are fucked! We all saw Katrina, or those SEVEN MINUTES Bush sat and Stared on 9/11 and that was when we had troops! So not only are we totally incapable, and too indebted to have another cold war, but we're also incredibly under staffed if you will. The most that will come from Russian rebuilding their weapons is increased tension with China, Russia, and America, but America cannot support or afford a war with either. Therefore we will have to do the only thing we can, either let them continue to hate us and screw whats left of our standings in the international community, or pull out of Iraq in an attempt to save our depleted resources and our outstanding debt. I'm sick of Israelis bowing down to America, I'm sick of Iraqis dying, I'm sick of the wastefulness and complete and utter denial in this country to do ANYTHING about it. I'm sick of everyone hearing when I come from America they judge me on this STUPID government that we have. And It's not just Israelis bowing down, it's other countries, that's just the one I have first hand with.

I agree with pretty much every word yuo said.I do however think when you make a statement like I hope he isnt bluffing, you need to clarify the thought process behind it.The one part I take exception to is "America is getting beyond out of hand right now"I think that part is total bullshit.America has been out of hand for a few years now, its not just now getting there.NOw that Iv stated that, if I disapear and none of you ever see me post again, look overseas in well hidden prisons as thats where Ill be, tortured and beaten as a traitor to my country all because I said, Bush is a fucking lunatic, a hillbilly bastard with ultimate power and delusional enough to belive he is acting as the hand of god.My Country has gone to shit.See ya in that dank dark cell Java, Im sure youll be rounded up about the same time I am.

"America has been out of hand for a few years now, its not just now getting there."Agreed. I held out hope, I really did, It's easy for people over here to say "Things aren't that bad". They ought to go over Africa, like I did. And be shocked and appalled at the state of people, like I was. A dark dank cell in a tropical paradise. Hah

tROPICAL PARADISE?SHIT, i WAS SPEAKING OF WHAT EVER HELL HOLE THEY TOSS YOU AND ME INTO FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST BUSH.i THINK DAT MAKES US "TERRERISTS"I KNOW NOT WHY MY FUCKING CAPS IS ON, BUT i CANT SHUT IT OFF AND iM NOT GOING TO HOLD IN THE SHIFT BUTTON TO TYPE IN ALL SMALL LETTERS SO YOU ALL MUST SUFFER READING THIS SHIT IN CAPS.MAYBE I NEED TO RESTART....OR MAYBE LIL DUBYA HAS ALREADY TAKEN OVER MY COMPUTER AND THATS WHY MY CAPS IS FUCKEROOD ?BASTARDS

dies laughing Well, it's as good as the rampant F's.All the torture prisons are in like, the most beautiful tropical paradises. It's like "Sure we're "Coercing" you, but, look at the view!"

Can't we stand up to Bush in the polls rather with nukes? Surely he's getting voted out next election?

He'll be out because it's his last term, as stated by the Constitution, but if you honestly think the people elected to high office aren't bought and paid for, then you're insane. The people you elect now-a-days are NOT here to represent us, rather their pocket books. The 2006 senate elections BEYOND proved that.Edit: And I'd love to think that any threat Less then Lethal would get through their fat heads, and agenda pushing pocket books.

Im no longer locked into caps only and I want you to read something.... "Will the Democrats please stop running for president and begin the work we elected them to do" Will the Democrats please stop running for president and begin the work we elected them to do. We gave the Democrats a majority in both houses of Congress because we're sick of the war. We don't need non binding resolutions signaling our displeasure. We need binding resolutions demanding the withdrawal of our troops, and we need it now, before we waste another three thousand lives and three hundred billion dollars of our grandchildren's money. Shut the fuck up Hillary. You can't win and your mere presence on a ticket will raise untold millions for some right wing dumb ass. You are a crafty politician and we need you to remain in the Senate where you can do some good. Ted Kennedy won't last forever. Obama, you sound like you could be an actual leader, something we haven't seen since JFK, but you're not ready. And even if you were, you and Hillary have work to do. You have to get us out of this war now. A Democratic candidate with integrity would right now be busting ass to change the status quo and putting the presidential race off until next year. If you're all too busy chasing the limelight to get any work done, do you think any of us will want to send you to the White House? And if you lose control of Congress, will it matter if you gain the presidency? It was written by James McMurtry, song writer extrodanaire.I think its an important comment on the 2006 elections.Most of his songs are jsut great songs but hes recently written a protest song:McMurtry is making the rough mix of "God Bless America" available for free on his website, jamesmcmurtry.com. "I had meant to wait until I was finished overdubbing before putting this song out, but our brave legislators have once again outdone themselves in their acquiescence to the executive by passing the detainee bill," said McMurtry. "We refer to foreign governments that employ all-powerful executive branches as dictatorships, but we're still supposed to think of our own government as democratic. I'm appalled at the spinelessness of Republican legislators. I guess they still think they'll be invited to the feast. They will be, but only if they continue to watch their mouths." Described by Steven King as "the truest, fiercest songwriter of his generation," James McMurtry is the son of acclaimed author Larry McMurtry (Lonesome Dove, Terms of Endearment).You can listen to another song "We Cant Make it Here" as well as "God Bless America"(streaming media) @ http://www.myspace.com/jamesmcmurtry .The lyrics follow: "We Can't Make it Here" Vietnam Vet with a cardboard signSitting there by the left turn lineFlag on the wheelchair flapping in the breezeOne leg missing, both hands freeNo one's paying much mind to himThe V.A. budget's stretched so thinAnd there's more comin' home from the Mideast warWe can't make it here anymoreThat big ol' building was the textile millIt fed our kids and it paid our billsBut they turned us out and they closed the doorsWe can't make it here anymoreSee all those pallets piled up on the loading dockThey're just gonna set there till they rot'Cause there's nothing to ship, nothing to packJust busted concrete and rusted tracksEmpty storefronts around the squareThere's a needle in the gutter and glass everywhereYou don't come down here 'less you're looking to scoreWe can't make it here anymoreThe bar's still open but man it's slowThe tip jar's light and the register's lowThe bartender don't have much to sayThe regular crowd gets thinner each daySome have maxed out all their credit cardsSome are working two jobs and living in carsMinimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drinkIf you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEOSee how far 5.15 an hour will goTake a part time job at one of your storesBet you can't make it here anymoreHigh school girl with a bourgeois dreamJust like the pictures in the magazineShe found on the floor of the laundromatA woman with kids can forget all thatIf she comes up pregnant what'll she doForget the career, forget about schoolCan she live on faith? live on hope?High on Jesus or hooked on dopeWhen it's way too late to just say noYou can't make it here anymoreNow I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart storeJust like the ones we made before'Cept this one came from SingaporeI guess we can't make it here anymoreShould I hate a people for the shade of their skinOr the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm inShould I hate 'em for having our jobs todayNo I hate the men sent the jobs awayI can see them all now, they haunt my dreamsAll lily white and squeaky cleanThey've never known want, they'll never know needTheir sh@# don't stink and their kids won't bleedTheir kids won't bleed in the da$% little warAnd we can't make it here anymoreWill work for foodWill die for oilWill kill for power and to us the spoilsThe billionaires get to pay less taxThe working poor get to fall through the cracksLet 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cakeLet 'em eat sh$%, whatever it takesThey can join the Air Force, or join the CorpsIf they can't make it here anymoreAnd that's how it isThat's what we gotIf the president wants to admit it or notYou can read it in the paperRead it on the wallHear it on the windIf you're listening at allGet out of that limoLook us in the eyeCall us on the cell phoneTell us all whyIn Dayton, OhioOr Portland, MaineOr a cotton gin out on the great high plainsThat's done closed down along with the schoolAnd the hospital and the swimming poolDust devils dance in the noonday heatThere's rats in the alleyAnd trash in the streetGang graffiti on a boxcar doorWe can't make it here anymore and "God Bless America "Look yonder comin', mercy meThree wise men in a SUVCorporate logo on the sideAir-conditioned quiet rideThat thing don't run on french fry greaseThat thing don't run on love and peaceTakes gasoline make that thing goNow bring your hands up nice and slowTake us to the land of milk and honeySing and dance all night longWhatcha gonna do with all that moneyWhatcha gonna do when that money's all goneNegotiation's just no funAnd it don't serve our interests noneGonna turn up the heat till it comes to a boilSo we can go get that Arab oilAnd we'll suck it all up through the barrel of a gunEveryday's the end of days for someRepublicans don't cut and runTell me ain't you proud of what we've doneTake us to the land of milk and honeySing and dance all night longWhatcha gonna do with all that moneyWhatcha gonna do when that money's all goneYou keep talking that shit like I never heardHush, little President, don't say a wordWhen the rapture comes and the angels singGod's gonna buy you a diamond ringTake us to the land of milk and honeySing and dance all night longWhatcha gonna do with all that moneyWhatcha gonna do when that money's all gone

I think a Freshman Senator is exactly what would do well, he hasn't been in it long enough to be completely corrupt, and actually has STRAIGHT ANSWERS for things. Obama is the closest america will have had to a real leader in god knows how long.

I'm with you. I really like Obama.

He doesnt think so either, he thinks they shoudl stop running for president all the rfucking time and work on fixing the shit we elected them to do.he thinks obama could be a leader one day and one day maybe a great president, but for now he needs to concentrate on doing what he was elected to do in his current position.America is nto ready for a woman president, her presence is nothing more than distracting. This country will never elect a woman to that post, not at this time in history.

See Damien.
See Damien bite his tongue.
See Damien bite his tongue and walk away from this thread.

See, I can do it!
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Awh man, I was waiting for you to comment :P You're the last fun person on here to debate with, (chance, you don't count, we agree too much).

How about that Ron Paul? He doesn't seem too bad.

See Java, that's why I love you...and this board. You know that debating can be fun. Big low level arousal but not horny smooches for you!Of course it's no secret that I would disagree with you on the President and the war in Iraq and all that, so that would actually be boring. No sense going there.But I think I also disagree on what it seems you are saying about Putin. I think, from what I've seen of this man over the past couple of years, he's just looking for an excuse to revert back in time about 50 years. I don't think he actually wants to deploy any warheads or anything like that. I also don't think he really believes we have any intention of placing his country in harm's way. He's just rattling his saber. Kind of like he's wanting to start a little pissing contest. Thing is, the weaponry to which he is referring is defensive technology placed to defend Europe. No threat to Russia at all. So to respond to that with threats of bombing Europe...there's about as much logic to that as there is to some of the wild goings on I hear from messed up teenagers.But I believe it will all sort of peter out in a couple of days. There's no real threat to anyone and I think both sides understand that and, despite the rhetoric, want to keep it that way.Is that contentious enough for you?!?