Religion should be outlawed.

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Originally Posted By: OldFolksDo your research thor, if you care too. Tribes that didn't allow marriage among same sex people where defiantly outside "the norm." It was prolifically common and noted by most white men who first contacted natives.As I noted before, those unions are not marriages...at least not the kind under discussion (Christian). It would be interesting to note if the US government would recognize such unions, being tribally based...especially if it was between two men or two women.

Quote:those unions are not marriages...at least not the kind under discussion (Christian)Who said the only kind of marriages under discussion are Christian?? Look at the thread.

The fact that YOU believe is fine... I don't understand what your problem is in understanding why OTHERS don't believe.God controls the weather???... I'd be surprised if any clergyman were to think that... That seems just plain silly.

I have checked my Bible. Your idea that only Christian marriage is marriage is not supported by it. For a start, the word is used throughout the whole Old Testament. Christ did not consider Jewish marriages invalid. He didn't consider Samaritan marriages invalid, either (John 4:17).Paul, writing to the Corinthians, addressed the issue of what happened when only one of a pagan couple converted to Christianity (1 Cor 7:12-16). He said they were not to divorce. He used the terms "husband" and "wife". He clearly considered such marriages, contracted while both were pagan, as real (though not as strong as Christian marriages).You may choose to use the word in your own idiosyncratic way, if you choose. But the rest of the world, including the Bible, uses it differently.

Originally Posted By: A.W.First of all, I don't need evidence to show that God is the creator of our universe. It's written in the Bible, go pick up one and read it for yourself.And how do we know the Bible is worth the paper its printed on? Because god says so? Originally Posted By: A.W.Not only is He my God, but He's all of our God. God controls the weather, not us. And with diseases, God doesn't let that happen, we humans let that happen to ourselves.God controls the weather? Show me one tiny shred of evidence for that! And we let diseases kill us? We don't have any sort of cure or treatment for many diseases, and every cure we do have was achieved through man-made science. When has god ever given us a cure for anything? Originally Posted By: A.W.There is a God, Bob. Why do you think it's cold in England right now? God telling us that He's in control, not us humans. And what about all the other freakish weather across the world, that's God's doing, not ours, and definitely not the fairy tale of Global Warming. Thats pathetic... I hope you have a boat prepared for the second coming of Noah.

Originally Posted By: A.W.Bob...when this Earth age ends(Not the end of planet Earth)we will all be changed into spiritual bodies. When we face God on Judgment Day, He will have a book on our deeds that we have done in our flesh life. Hopefully, one day you and others will make peace with Him before that day comes. This Earth age will end by fire from God's wrath, not by some war of our own.But just at the last minute, the Flying Spaghetti Monster will come soaring through the air, noodley appendages flapping in the wind, and He shall save me from your false god! And I shall ride the Invisible Pink Unicorn into the sunset so I can live eternity with Elvis and King Kong while you simmer forever in a large broth of liquid Kryptonite. Hopefully you will see sense soon, accept the FSM as not just my god, but OUR god, and you can spend eternity with me on the forest moon of Endor.

So when it's 75 degrees outside it's because God said so?? and if it's foggy tomorrow it's because God said so? Seriously? I mean I'm a believer, but that's just stupid.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: A VHowever, "experiences" can be misinterpreted, so I would be skeptical of any kind of religious "experience." Suppose, for the moment, that you were the only one on earth who did not have such an experience. How valid would you then consider your skepticism to be? Now consider how many people in reality claim to have had such experiences. Do you think every last one of them is lying about it or has misinterpreted it? well, the thing is, not EVERYONE on Earth has claimed to have this kind of experiences, while many others have CONTRADICTORY experiences. For example, Muslims claim to have religious experiences, as do Jews, Hindus, Christians, or anyone belonging to any other religion. But these "experiences" contradict eachother. Only the experiences of one of these religions can be REAL experiences. And how am I supposed to choose which religion is the right one? If only one can be right, then why not just conclude that ALL are wrong.And even if everyone had the same "experience," and I did not, then I would still have to be skeptical. We should always be skeptical of everything. We must always ask questions even about the norms in society. Imagine where we'd be today if no one every questioned what everyone else did. Just about everyone at one time believed that slavery was right (except the slaves of course), but that doesn't justify slavery. At one time everyone believed that the sun revolved around the Earth, but that did not stop Copernicus from challenging that belief. Just because one person is questioning society does not mean that that person is wrong.

Actually, I control the weather.

OK that's nice.

though these debates are stimulating, your parrot rhetoric becomes tiresome.There are some simple truths. 1- If the American founders wanted to create a Christian nation, they would have spelled it out clearly in the constitution and declaration. Not suggested, implied or otherwise obvious by it's omission. It would be clearly stated as it would be too important to omit.2- You do not own marriage. Not the word nor the concept. Not you, your church, your state, your party, your religion, your country, your race. Non of you own it. Denying gays the right to marry is like telling your neighbour that he can't paint his rec-room blue because you hate blue. Sorry man, it ain't your house

god controls the weatherit's brutally cold here now, well below seasonalgod owes me for my gas bill

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: OldFolksAnd your an ignorant piece of shit who's child, for the good of civilization, needs to be removed from your caveman ways and superstitions and brought to a more enlightened level of being. Go do your research and try to learn something. I doubt your concept of enlightenment means anything more than folks being allowed to do whatever they want...which is really just headonism by another name. Jesus Christ how fucking dense are you? What makes the enlightenment your forefathers forced on my forefathers any different than the statement I just made to you. Do you get it? Are you capable getting it? Pull your head out for one frickin' minute and read what I wrote and then, even though I know it's impossible for you, put yourself in the place of my grandpa who was taken away from his parents and given a different name and beaten for speaking his language. But of course white folks were doing that for his benefit, right? Their Christian values are sactioned by the "real god" and where better then his parents values...Christ, your a troglodyte.By the way marriage is not a christin term, regardless what you would like to believe and arguing endlessly that it is will never make it the "truth."

funny

Global warming?

God wouldn't let that happen...

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousMost Atheists are completely open to the idea of gods.The idea, maybe. The possibility of something existing that can't be proven, no.

Originally Posted By: Ineligible

I have checked my Bible. Your idea that only Christian marriage is marriage is not supported by it.

Oh? What other kinds of "marriages" are supported by the Bible? Passage quotes to support your position, please.

For purposes of defining it (for those, including Ineligible, who don't know what one is), a Christian marriage involves a man, a woman, and God. The Christian/Jewish God, and no other. Seeing as better than 90% of the Constitutional framers were orthodox Christians, one can be quite certain that a Christian marriage was the kind referred to in legislative documents of the time. But, the government allows freedom of religion for ALL, and, therefor, most likely would choose to recognize a "marriage" of a religion other than Christian...such as Muslim, for example. You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was an established religion out there that supported the idea of gay marriage, the GLBT community would have jumped on that bandwagon a long time ago. Since none exists, they have taken to applying social pressures on the Christian religion to accept something not only is not sanctioned, but is regarded as an abomination by God (and anyone who follows the teachings of same). One question I have is: Why haven't they similarly attacked any other religions?

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Paul, writing to the Corinthians, addressed the issue of what happened when only one of a pagan couple converted to Christianity (1 Cor 7:12-16). He said they were not to divorce. He used the terms "husband" and "wife".

Yes...husband and wife...not husband and husband. And it is a Christian marriage that is being referred to...not a pagan one. But to correct Ineligible, the Bible does NOT speak of any situation where both husband and wife are pagan. One or the other...NOT both. It is also written in scripture that the believing (in the Christian/Jewish God) husband or wife will be the salvation of his/her spouse. Either way, it is a Christian marriage that is being spoken of here (post messiah)...and no other.

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You may choose to use the word in your own idiosyncratic way, if you choose. But the rest of the world, including the Bible, uses it differently.

You may choose to try and twist the Bible to your liberal desires...but I will call you on it every time.

While I agree the word 'marriage' in the secular world has come to mean, loosely, a union of sorts between a man and woman, it is also true that the definition I refer to is how it started out in this country...and is still how it applies to the Christian church. The the secular public has twisted the meaning of the word over time, now attempting to redefine it in fact to include same-sex "marriages"...but this does not change the true meaning of the word as originally recognized by this country's government. And you're still going to have to have some kind of established religion make the abominable (same-sex) 'union', regardless of how you choose to pervert the word.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedthough these debates are stimulating, your parrot rhetoric becomes tiresome.There are some simple truths. 1- If the American founders wanted to create a Christian nation, they would have spelled it out clearly in the constitution and declaration.Already addressed by me in a previous post. Quote:2- You do not own marriage. No I don't...the Christian/Jewish God owns it, in this country.

Originally Posted By: sdpGod wouldn't let that happen... If it happened, you can be sure it is part of His plan.