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Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfI didn't ask for your "urban legend" of how gays are responsible for AIDs, but rather for EVIDENCE.I want peer-reviewed, academic studies to back up what you just said. You would require no less of me if I wanted to say, say that Jesus must have been gay (and I'm not saying that). I never said gays were responsible for it...I said a gay man was responsible for bringing it to the US. You'd have to ask the scientists who made this determination for the evidence...I doubt they'd be willing to hand it over to me so I could show you. Google it yourself, though...who knows, you might come up with something different. But as for "urban legend", now you've placed yourself in the position of proving what I said isn't true. So have at it!

oh, I think. I think a lotI'm just curious about them there pre-Christ Christians

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: albeitmyself  Quote:We already have AIDS...isn't that enough? Are you ACTUALLY trying to say that homosexuals caused AIDs?Evidence, please. And you are making a positive assertion so the onus lies on you to provide proof. They brought it to this country from Africa back in 1972 via a gay airline steward, according to as much as they could figure out. But whether that's the case or not, the disease is many times more rampant in the homosexual community than in any other demographic you care to choose. So maybe a gay man brought it to the US, and maybe not...but the gays are most responsible for spreading it, even if it is largely amongst themselves. I consider them as part of the human population...don't you? Check your statistics buddy, its predominate in the African American population. Especially in the African American female aspect. Also, the reason it went ramped in the gay male community is because before AIDS there wasn't much of a reason for protection. Pretty much anything else they could have contracted was curable (not saying it was right they were not using condoms, just giving you the facts). Once people realized what HIV/AIDS was and how it was contracted HIV/AIDS went on a steady decline, and has been on a decline for many years now in the gay male community. There are MANY theories on where HIV/AIDS came from, it does however seem to stem back to Africa (At least most of the theories). Could it have come from a gay flight attendant? Sure. But it was also thought to come from a group of American males hunting in Africa, the ate a monkey which carried the disease, came home had sex with their wives/girlfriends… so on and so forth. There was even the theory of a male having sex with a money and contracting the disease. No one knows for sure where AIDS actually came from, but to blame homosexuals soley just shows your true ignorance.

Originally Posted By: thor But as for "urban legend", now you've placed yourself in the position of proving what I said isn't true. So have at it! Just as you are responisble for proving IT IS true. Saying shit like "homosexuals caused aids" is what is wrong with this country and why there is still so much hatred towards the gay community.

Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfOr in other words, you're too lazy/unable to prove your point.You do realize that the onus is on you to prove your point, right? Or will you contest that undeniable truth about positive assertions? I won't waste my time trying to provide the kind of proof you'd accept. I'd have to wave the dead body of the flight attendant in question under your nose, show his post-mortem and you'd still be in denial. Do your own research if you're interested in the truth...if you're not, don't.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfOr in other words, you're too lazy/unable to prove your point.You do realize that the onus is on you to prove your point, right? Or will you contest that undeniable truth about positive assertions? I won't waste my time trying to provide the kind of proof you'd accept. I'd have to wave the dead body of the flight attendant in question under your nose, show his post-mortem and you'd still be in denial. Do your own research if you're interested in the truth...if you're not, don't. If you are not going to back up your claims, don't go spouting off at the mouth with your ignorance.

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Originally Posted By: thor

Originally Posted By: albeitmyself

Or in other words, you're too lazy/unable to prove your point.

You do realize that the onus is on you to prove your point, right? Or will you contest that undeniable truth about positive assertions?

I won't waste my time trying to provide the kind of proof you'd accept. I'd have to wave the dead body of the flight attendant in question under your nose, show his post-mortem and you'd still be in denial. Do your own research if you're interested in the truth...if you're not, don't.

If you are not going to back up your claims, don't go spouting off at the mouth with your ignorance.

I don't recognize you as the authority for the truth of all things. I know what I read...go find it yourself if you want.

Here ya go lazy, found alitte info for ya. All i did was google it and it was the first thing that popped up on the list. Mind you I never disagreed that HIV went ramped in the gay community, for the reasons I already gave. I bolded the most important part of the imformation:

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The earliest known case of HIV-1 in a human was from a blood sample collected in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo. (How he became infected is not known.) Genetic analysis of this blood sample suggested that HIV-1 may have stemmed from a single virus in the late 1940s or early 1950s.

We know that the virus has existed in the United States since at least the mid- to late 1970s. From 1979-1981 rare types of pneumonia, cancer, and other illnesses were being reported by doctors in Los Angeles and New York among a number of male patients who had sex with other men. These were conditions not usually found in people with healthy immune systems.

In 1982 public health officials began to use the term "acquired immunodeficiency syndrome," or AIDS, to describe the occurrences of opportunistic infections, Kaposi's sarcoma (a kind of cancer), and Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia in previously healthy people. Formal tracking (surveillance) of AIDS cases began that year in the United States.

In 1983, scientists discovered the virus that causes AIDS. The virus was at first named HTLV-III/LAV (human T-cell lymphotropic virus-type III/lymphadenopathy- associated virus) by an international scientific committee. This name was later changed to HIV (human immunodeficiency virus).

For many years scientists theorized as to the origins of HIV and how it appeared in the human population, most believing that HIV originated in other primates. Then in 1999, an international team of researchers reported that they had discovered the origins of HIV-1, the predominant strain of HIV in the developed world. A subspecies of chimpanzees native to west equatorial Africa had been identified as the original source of the virus. The researchers believe that HIV-1 was introduced into the human population when hunters became exposed to infected blood.

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And if you want a definition of a Christian marriage, you need to look in the Bible...not a dictionary.

This world and every person living in it is not a christian! You think americans should ONLY be christian and that they should all follow the bible? Wow.. you're living in a different century man.

I'm pretty sure in my family studies class in highschool when we learned about marriage, divorce (etc) we didnt study out of the bible or get our definitions out of there.. we read a textbook.. and found definitions out of the DICTIONARY.

So I AM SORRY, BUT YOU ARE RIDICULOUS, how can you compare killing someone to being gay? WOW.

Should gays have to pay taxes? They arent getting the same rights as the rest of us. I dont think they should!!

Originally Posted By: StephieJ Should gays have to pay taxes? They arent getting the same rights as the rest of us. I dont think they should!! Amen

Quote: White Anglo Saxon Idiots are increasingly in the minority in all areas of the US.wow. Glad you think my grandparents are idiots. Ive had this discussion with my grandparents before. My grandma doesnt care about any of this bullshit. She thinks people should be happy... and be free to love whomever they please. As long as they dont try anything on her! She's told me about plenty of her lesbian friends throughout the years.

Quote:I don't recognize you as the authority for the truth of all things. I know what I read...go find it yourself if you want. I never said I was the "authority for the truth of all things". But when you are getting diarrhea of the mouth and spouting ignorance and hateful words you will be challenged and asked to backup your claim. So as they saying goes “Either put up, or shut up”.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfHere ya go lazy, found alitte info for ya. All i did was google it and it was the first thing that popped up on the list. Mind you I never disagreed that HIV went ramped in the gay community, for the reasons I already gave. I bolded the most important part of the imformation:  Quote: The earliest known case of HIV-1 in a human was from a blood sample collected in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo. (How he became infected is not known.) Genetic analysis of this blood sample suggested that HIV-1 may have stemmed from a single virus in the late 1940s or early 1950s. We know that the virus has existed in the United States since at least the mid- to late 1970s. From 1979-1981 rare types of pneumonia, cancer, and other illnesses were being reported by doctors in Los Angeles and New York among a number of male patients who had sex with other men. These were conditions not usually found in people with healthy immune systems.In 1982 public health officials began to use the term "acquired immunodeficiency syndrome," or AIDS, to describe the occurrences of opportunistic infections, Kaposi's sarcoma (a kind of cancer), and Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia in previously healthy people. Formal tracking (surveillance) of AIDS cases began that year in the United States.In 1983, scientists discovered the virus that causes AIDS. The virus was at first named HTLV-III/LAV (human T-cell lymphotropic virus-type III/lymphadenopathy- associated virus) by an international scientific committee. This name was later changed to HIV (human immunodeficiency virus).For many years scientists theorized as to the origins of HIV and how it appeared in the human population, most believing that HIV originated in other primates. Then in 1999, an international team of researchers reported that they had discovered the origins of HIV-1, the predominant strain of HIV in the developed world. A subspecies of chimpanzees native to west equatorial Africa had been identified as the original source of the virus. The researchers believe that HIV-1 was introduced into the human population when hunters became exposed to infected blood. I don't disagree with what you posted here...but it doesn't explain HOW it came to the US. I read an article in TIME magazine several years ago concerning the gay airline steward I mentioned. Scientists have stated it's possible it goes back even further than that (1972), but haven't found any evidence past the airline steward. I can't produce an old article from TIME magazine online (that I know of)...but I'm sure you can find a hard-copy yourself somewhere, if you really wanted to.

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go create your own religion and get married there, if something you claim you don't really need is so important to you. Just leave Christianity alone.

Eddie, this is directed towards you. (even though Im quoting thor). Dont create a new religion. JUST COME TO CANADA.. a place that understands freedom and equal rights.

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And what is your point, and how does it pertain to marriage?

Dont penguins also find their lifelong partner?

One thing I have noticed about this thread is the increasing number of words that have been put in my mouth that I did not say. These are all what is referred to as "straw-man arguments". I'm just mentioned it as I want all folks to know that I've decided I won't be responding to any of them. I can see it's a waste of time.

Originally Posted By: StephieJ  Quote:And what is your point, and how does it pertain to marriage? Dont penguins also find their lifelong partner? Do they get married in a Christian wedding? Are we to be equated with animals now? Should we also eat our young as some animals do? Seriously.

I believe i have heard the theory about the airline stewart. It could have just as much been a woman as it could have been a man.My whole point is NO ONE knows how the HIV virus got to the United States, but to lay blame on homosexuals it wrong, ignorant, and hateful. But one thing that's obvious it’s not a disease that was spread by god to destroy homosexuals. If that was the case, heterosexuals would not be infected, innocent children would not be infected, etc. So comparing HIV to Sodom and Gomorrah does not hold weight.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfBut one thing that's obvious it’s not a disease that was spread by god to destroy homosexuals. If that was the case, heterosexuals would not be infected, innocent children would not be infected, etc. So comparing HIV to Sodom and Gomorrah does not hold weight. What's also obvious is if you remain a virgin until married and stay faithful to your spouse, it's not something you have to worry about. If you don't do those things, you are rolling the dice...no matter how well-protected you think you are.BTW, there is one of your straw-man arguments...I was using those instances as examples...not comparing them to each other.

Quote: Do they get married in a Christian wedding? Does everyone who gets married get married in a christian wedding? Those people who get married outside.. or in the tropics.. are they not REALLY getting married because its not in a christian church. That about those people who get married who are not religious. Is their marriage a fraud? Or those people who get married at city hall.. should they not be considered married??

No they don't get married, but they are still God's creatures and their species does not discriminate against them simply because they are homosexual. THAT, Sir, is my point. There was also an article that I found amazing. It was about a gay male dolphin couple. One of the gay dolphins actually impregnated a female dolphin, she gave birth and the two male dolphins took over raising the child. In sense, the female dolphin played as a surrogate mothers to the gay dolphins. Yet this happens in the wild, and earth has not come to an end, dolphins are the same as they have been for thousands of years (even longer!). Yet certain Christians think allowing gay marriage and allowing homosexuals to raise children will bring the end of mankind.