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Catholics don't believe that you're married if it didn't happen on their church under their rules. According to my x-wife's church, we were never married.
I guess Thor can't get married... lucky bastard

Originally Posted By: StephieJ  Quote: Do they get married in a Christian wedding? Does everyone who gets married get married in a christian wedding? Obviously not. But since this is a Christian country, founded by Christians, whether you like it or not marriage in this country has traditionally been Christian...even though marriages of other religions are accepted. So when you attempt to change the definition of marriage as it is used in this country, you are meddling with a Christian marriage. For example, if you went to an Islamic country and tried to change the meaning of the word "God", it would be Alah, not the Christian God you'd be playing with.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfYet certain Christians think allowing gay marriage and allowing homosexuals to raise children will bring the end of mankind. All by itself, no. But they would be one of the dominos in a chain that would bring exactly that to pass.

why don't you really stick to tradition? arranged marrages and the Kings right to deflower the bride and all those other fine traditions?nothing should change... ever!

Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfReally? Because no one ever got infect by their spouse cheating on them and then sleeping with them again?Also, HIV infects health-care professionals who clearly don't "deserve" it by any stretch of the imagination.PS: Let's not forget about the CHILDREN who get infected from their moms. And the bible says the child is not responsible for the sins of the father, so don't you think that God (in your view, since I don't believe in him) is being a bit of a jackass, IF you are correct in assuming AIDs is a punishment for sin? What I think is you need to go find a Bible and read it for yourself instead of pulling snippets of the internet and basing your opinions on them. You asked.

Quote:BTW, there is one of your straw-man arguments...I was using those instances as examples...not comparing them to each other. Let me refresh your memory on what YOU said:  Quote: We already have AIDS...isn't that enough? Look at what happened to Soddom and GamorahI'm sorry but that to me is comparing the two. Perhaps you need to be a little more clear, because to me you are now trying to backpeddle your comment.  Quote: What's also obvious is if you remain a virgin until married and stay faithful to your spouse, it's not something you have to worry about. If you don't do those things, you are rolling the dice...no matter how well-protected you think you are.Absolutely agree... but it's people like you that are holding back marriage to gay people, so how can we wait for marriage?

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself  Quote:BTW, there is one of your straw-man arguments...I was using those instances as examples...not comparing them to each other. Let me refresh your memory on what YOU said:  Quote: We already have AIDS...isn't that enough? Look at what happened to Soddom and GamorahI'm sorry but that to me is comparing the two. Perhaps you need to be a little more clear, because to me you are now trying to backpeddle your comment.We already have an AIDS epidemic...and as if that is not enough, look at what happened to Soddom and Gamorah. That could happen to us, too. Is that more clear?BTW, the men at Lot's door refused his daughters...they wanted the male travelers who were guests at Lot's house. They were gay.

And did I not say there were homosexual activities? My point was god didn't say "I am destroying the city because of homosexuals". It was the raping, incest.... aka... it was the actions that lead to the city being destroyed. Both from heterosexuals AND homosexuals. Both were equal in the sins.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself

Both were equal in the sins.

That's correct. Both. Including homosexual behavior. And they received their punishment for it, too. So AIDS really isn't so different from what happened at Soddom and Gamorah after all.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfBoth were equal in the sins. That's correct. Both. Including homosexual behavior. And they received their punishment for it, too. So AIDS really isn't so different from what happened at Soddom and Gamorah after all. IF you believe its a punishment from God, which I do not. I don't believe he would punish innocent children who contract the disease through the mother, innocent men and women through rape, or innocent people who need a blood transfusion. And the list can continue.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfIF you believe its a punishment from God, which I do not. Even if you don't believe it's God's punishment, it's still quite similar in that it attacks, basically, the same groups of people.As for innocent kids getting killed, there's a lot of that that's gone on throughout history. The holocaust is a prime example that comes to mind. We don't know what God's design in that was, either.

Quote:The holocaust is a prime example that comes to mind comitted by christians.Other than that, I know you fear and lothe change but it's enevitable.Prior to '67, many states outlawed interracial marriage. How do you feel about that change?Jesus; "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."would you stay away from divorced women to avoid this sin?Medieval law :The Same, Digest, Book XXX.It is provided by the Lex Papia that all freeborn men, except senators an their children, can marry freedwomen.I would hazar to guess that there is a lot of law breakers in the US SenateSo, which exact era are you holding on to?

Originally Posted By: unsupervised

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The holocaust is a prime example that comes to mind

comitted by christians.

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Committed by socialists! Do yourself a favor and get a real education. Find out what NAZI stands for and then come back and talk to me.

uh yeaaaahsocialists who were also christiansso? have you picked a favorite era in which to live yet?

Originally Posted By: unsuperviseduh yeaaaahsocialists who were also christiansHitler used the church to meet his ends...while at the same time having several church officials taken out, with others on his hit list to be taken out at some future time. Hitler was NOT a Christian...religion was a tool for him. NAZIs persecuted Christian churches as socialists always will.

see now, you can't just pick and choose who gets the title of christian based on your own beliefsHe was baptized as a catholic. he was an alter boy and confirmed as a "soldier of christ"I don't mean to branch this off into a good christian vs bad christian discussion but you have to admit that there are both

Yes...raised as a Catholic...and grew to have a contempt for any and all organized religions. Hey...probably much as yourself, now that I think about it (the contempt part). Anyway, by the time he was in control of Germany, he was no longer a Christian. The Christian God and Jewish God are one and the same...and yet look what he did to the Jews. Christian? In a pigs eye.

Those crazy catholics!

Do you spend your entire day reading the bible?

hmm. maybe be more specific next time because apparently I have no idea what you're talking about (?)