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Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorNope. More like: If A cannot equal C and B cannot equal C What kind of moron would conclude that A + B = C?1 doesn't equal 3.2 doesn't equal 3.But 1 + 2 equals 3.Freaky maths! We know that A cannot = 1 and that B might not = 2...but we conclude that A + B = 3 anyway? Freaky indeed.

thor, not everyone can handle simple reasoning, but if you can't, you shouldn't pretend you can.Have a look at the post above. Notice you said:If A cannot equal Cand B cannot equal CWhat kind of moron would conclude that A + B = C?Bob said:1 doesn't equal 3.2 doesn't equal 3.But 1 + 2 equals 3.In doing so he gave a counterexample of A = 1, B = 2 and C = 3, to show that the conclusion can (though not must) be true.In your reply you changed C in the first line to 1 and changed it in the second line to 2, while leaving it as 3 in the third line, showing that you don't understand the principles of even basic algebra.You have made many elementary errors of logic. You didn't understand Mr U's argument, lacked the moral courage to say so, and attempted to present a counter-argument that was in defective form and made no sense.Perhaps an analogous argument might make the matter clearer:Majority view: Our studies show that the earth is round.A dissenting view: My studies show that the earth is not round, it is flat.Another dissenting view: My studies show that the earth is not flat, it is a tetrahedron.Another dissenting view: My studies show the earth is not flat or a tetrahedron, it is a cube.thor's view: We don't know whether the earth is flat, a tetrahedron or a cube, but it doesn't matter which is true, it is obvious it is not round.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: unsupervisedas you read up on non sequiturs, let's look at yours. climate change and man's responsibility...your argument is basically framed thus;A = falseif A = true, then B = falsetherefore A+B = falseNope. More like: If A cannot equal C and B cannot equal C What kind of moron would conclude that A + B = C?My point is that there is no correlation between the rise in temperature and what is known, and that (at least) two falsehoods must be accepted before you can make that leap of faith.Hopefully it is now apparent why your previous statement was a non sequitur.  Originally Posted By: meare you keeping up so far? it would have been less embarrassing for you if you'd just admitted that you aren't keeping up. Instead, you've demonstrated that you lack a grasp of both logic AND algebra.  Originally Posted By: thorthere is no correlation between the rise in temperature and what is known what is that even supposed to mean? Is there a rise in temperature? Do we know anything?Oh, and on the whole non sequitur thing, I gave you a hint with the bold text. Was it too subtle?*Would anyone else here like to step in and tell me if my framework of thor's argument and subsequent non sequitur needs refinement?

Originally Posted By: IneligibleIn doing so he gave a counterexample of A = 1, B = 2 and C = 3, to show that the conclusion can (though not must) be true.If I threw out random numbers to fill the slots of "A", "B" and "C" in the equation above, I could hit the equation being correct once in awhile...doesn't mean I understand algebra though, does it.

holy shitballsfuck math if 1 + 2 = 3 BUT RANDOM NUMBERS REPLACE THE NUMBERS... then 9 plus 7 equals GOAT

...the Obama insanity continues

Don't you mean the Sarah Palin insanity?

oh please, buddy.... Sarah Palin? She's OUT OF HER FUCKING MINDok, if you accept her opinion as valid, then you must accept Al Gore's (I accept neither)Oh man, just for the biggest I told you soEVER, I hope Palin becomes president.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleDon't you mean the Sarah Palin insanity? Yeah, I've noticed you and some others who always attack the messenger instead of adressing the points. It's usually a sign of a weak argument on your part, if there's any argument to be found at all.A bunch of loons are pushing this global warming scam because they stand to make a lot of money off of it. Our money...the taxpayers. The only attempts to silence scientists and fake data are coming from the side supporting the scam. Again, tactics usually utilized by those who are trying to hide something; such as a hidden agenda. Those on the side of truth, however, have nothing to hide. The truth will be known...it always surfaces somehow. I only hope it doesn't come out too late for the public to pressure these clowns into hanging it up.

Originally Posted By: thor ...the Obama insanity continues  Originally Posted By: Sarah PalinWith the publication of damaging e-mails from a climate research center in Britain, the radical environmental movement appears to face a tipping point. The revelation of appalling actions by so-called climate change experts allows the American public to finally understand the concerns so many of us have articulated on this issue. You have yet to show what was so awful about the emails, in your own words. I could argue nearly every point in that article but I won't jump too far ahead and assume that you agree with everything it says.

Copenhagen: When an overblown environmental conference culminates with Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lecturing the West on virtue, color it another shakedown. The United Nations' Copenhagen Climate Conference is going fast into meltdown. It may be because it's not about climate anymore, but fitting a noose on the world's productive economies and extracting wealth transfers [from their taxpayers]. Poor countries have gone from defending their right to economic development as a reason for exemptions to emissions cuts to claiming a "legitimate" right to vast wealth transfers from the West to prevent emissions. They call it "climate justice." [the 'victim' mentality promoted by the liberal UN takes form] Read here: Copenhagen Collapse

Interesting article. Does it have a by-line that I'm missing? I can't seem to spot an author.Also, its funny how the article ends with: Originally Posted By: articleMaybe the reality is sinking in that the entire science of climate change is a sham.The hacked CRU e-mails of the University of East Anglia show science has been corrupted by supposedly respected scientists in charge of the climate data at the university from the beginning. They falsified data and repressed inconvenient facts and then tried to silence real scientists who tried to determine the truth.Its funny because it brings me back to the question that I asked you in my previous post: In your own words, what awful acts were admitted to in the stolen emails?

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousIts funny because it brings me back to the question that I asked you in my previous post: In your own words, what awful acts were admitted to in the stolen emails? You have to be able to add 2 + 2 and arrive at the answer of 4, and be willing to accept that answer. Failing either of those, there's no point in my trying to explain it to you...you will refuse to "get it" because it's convenient for you to do so. If those emails came from the scientists who claim man-made global warming was a hoax, I have absolutely no doubts you'd have no problem coming to the same conclusions that I and others have concerning these emails.

I admit that I'd probably jump to a conclusion just as you have, yes. But since I was not convinced by the reports from very shady sources, I decided to look into it a bit more and actually read the letters. Turns out there has been an awful lot of quote mining and misrepresentation of the letters.Now, are you going to answer the question or will you continue to avoid it? Your answer doesn't have to involve me accepting anything, its not that kind of question so your excuse is rather useless.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousI admit that I'd probably jump to a conclusion just as you have, yes. But since I was not convinced by the reports from very shady sources, I decided to look into it a bit more and actually read the letters. Turns out there has been an awful lot of quote mining and misrepresentation of the letters.Now, are you going to answer the question or will you continue to avoid it? Your answer doesn't have to involve me accepting anything, its not that kind of question so your excuse is rather useless. So...you're going to hang your hat on a bunch of emails...all other facts and evidence to remain unaddressed. Ignored, I should say. Fair is fair...you're going to have to give a few answers before you get any.

It's you who are hanging your hat on them, thor. And every issue you have raised has been addressed. Stop lying.

Quote: Fair is fair...you're going to have to give a few answers before you get any. I dont participate in alot of these threads.. but I do read them.. AND you give that kind of answer all the time.. you always ignore peoples questions. Is it because you can't back it up??

Originally Posted By: IneligibleIt's you who are hanging your hat on them, thor. And every issue you have raised has been addressed. Stop lying. Wow...didn't see that one coming. I think you need to get back on your medication, to be honest. I don't see any other explanation for your unwarranted outburst.

Originally Posted By: StephieJ  Quote: Fair is fair...you're going to have to give a few answers before you get any. I dont participate in alot of these threads.. but I do read them.. AND you give that kind of answer all the time.. you always ignore peoples questions. Is it because you can't back it up?? That's an easy thing to say for somebody who never has to answer a lot of questions. I have a life outside of this place, you know. Truth is I do get tired of answering to other peoples questions/points without them answering to any of mine. Bob picked one thing out to push on (the emails) and ignored everything else.

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