No thanks. I try to avoid religious and political debates.
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The religious debate from male genetalia area con
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If you say so websex...
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Hey, I was kinda curious as to why there are still lower life forms if evolution is suposed to kill of all other stuff. And how come we don't see any changes (other than bad), little or big, from amimals we've been studying for several hundred years? Just kinda wondering. Sorry RobBob, next time i'll put more sources and research into my posts rather than just running off of steam.
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In reply to:Hey, I was kinda curious as to why there are still lower life forms if evolution is suposed to kill of all other stuff. And how come we don't see any changes (other than bad), little or big, from amimals we've been studying for several hundred years?First of all, what do you mean by lower lifeforms? In answer to your second question though, something that I stated before is that mutations are more often harmful than beneficial (cancer being a common mutation). The organism with the weakness tends to die or at least not do as well as others organisms.I'm going to have to check out this theory on how genes can't be created but only destroyed, so until I do I can't retaliate because I like to be able to back up what I say
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In reply to: Not really. Who says god didn't mean for evolution to take place? That's what I've thought...Perhaps when it says that God created the earth in 6 days, and then rested on the 7th, that those 6 days weren't millions or even billions or years according to us. I don't think it would be smart to assume that God's time, is the same as ours, since the things often do occur in His time take much longer then when we think they should occur. Just a thought.
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That site is VERY biased. I can knock a few points off of many of their comments since they twist the ideas of evolution (as well as the creation of the universe) the way they want them to be shown.In reply to:The theory requires that a complex system of roller-bearing eddies of gas and dust had to develop, which in turn gradually whirled out into sun and planets and moons. But this is an impossibility, since such vortices would have to remain perfectly intact during essentially the entire period of planetary formation. On this point, Kuiper doubted that the vortices could last long enough to get the condensation building process of the planets underway.The vortices are created by a gravitational force in the center. I don't see how this gravitational force would weaken rather than increase when you're getting an increasingly large collection of matter in the center.In reply to:Since the sun has 99.5 percent of the mass in the solar system, and all the planets and moons only have 0.5 percent of it, what would have kept these small bodies from falling into the main body?Simply physics. It's the same reason that satellites orbit the earth. Since it's much easier to explain in a diagram, I'll hold off explaining it unless someone really wants me to. In reply to:There is much interstellar material in the vicinity of our sun, but it is not condensing.That would be because there's a massive nuclear fusion reacting that's constantly occuring in the center of the sun. This provides the force that prevents a star from collapsing on itself. Black holes are the dead stars collapsing on themselves to the point where there's very little space being taken up (or an infinite nothing, black holes aren't exactly the easiest thing for people to study).In reply to:We see no planets flying by us today! If it was occurring earlier, it should be happening with great regularity now. We have enough telescopes in place that we could easily observe such giant rocks whizzing through our solar system. They would be brilliant as they shot by, and many could easily be seen with the unaided eye.Planets would not be brilliant and obvious. Although this is pertaining to one of many subtheories on how the planets and moons came to be, the argument is poorly backed. There's been studies indicating that there could be a tenth planet in our solar system, but it's too far away for us to see because, unlike stars, planets don't give off their own light source. But once again, this isn't the only theory on how the planets came to orbit the sun, it has it's share of flaws; the problem being that they can't seem to find the major ones.In reply to:It is said that the moon is just a pile of dust, and "just happened" to wander near and begin circling our world, another "pile of dust." But two huge spheres—earth and moon—so close to each other, would fly apart or, being so close to each other, would soon crash. They would not endlessly circle one another, neither colliding nor separating.Take a high school physics class >_It is a very scientific site, as you say, but it approaches the issue from one side and is full of flaws in it's arguments. Some of the points though are very good, you've just got to know what makes sense and what is blindly supported by false facts.
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Good point Some aspects of both sides are completely interchangeable
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Woa, this is the 3rd, soon to be the 2nd largest thread on the community forum section. The largest is only 26 larger than ours. On the whole forum though, the biggest post is on dick size, lol. The third or fourth largest is also on it. I think this is in the top ten though, correct me if I'm wrong.
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In reply to:Holy shit guys, you people act like it's some drastic change in lifestyle. Like you have to completely revamp yourself. It's not that difficult.In reply to:Thanks, I just got tired of people making it seem like in order to be a good Christian, you have to completely altar your way of life; like it's some great deal of work with no benefits. When the inverse is true. It's NOT a lot of work when compared to what one does in AN AVERAGE DAY, could you imagine how much more work it would be to try to committ to lies, instead of telling the truth; and to ball up feeling of envy, instead of being happy for them - and what do you get for it? Most likely someone is going to get hurt. But when it comes to God and Christianity, again compared to what I just said, man, it's a piece of cake, and the reward is BY FAR THE BEST PART!! WHY IT'S PRACTICALLY FREE!!! THE LORD WANTS YOU TO INHERIT HIS KINGDOM...And all you have to do, is believe, and keep living the life that He gave you.Wtf? Just because its not a difficult religion to follow doesnt mean you should. Just maybe you should believe in it cause you think its right. Oh yeah and way to go religion ... you just got another sheep to listen to you since you promised a free teleportation into another dimension after death!In reply to:Hype, how old are you? Have you studied your beliefs in depth? Do you even know what you believe or have you just been taught to believe in anything that isn't God? Can you stand up for what you believe in, backing it up with facts, or have you, like so many other poor kids in our generation, grown up brainwashed by the godless society of America?16. Atheism, yes. Actually I taught myself to do that. Yeah sorry im actually a failed attempt of religious brainwashing by some of my bible hugging family.Oh yeah about the rest of your post... sorry I never said I completely believed in evolution even though it does bring up some interesting questions. Also this is a religion thread not a creation thread so ill keep to myself even though RobBob is doing great with debating on that. Oh yeah and I never said the Bible didnt have any history or correct information in there but just because a man named Jesus might have existed (only 6 accounts?) doesnt mean that he had healing powers among other things.In reply to:Incompetent? Evolution is nothing but a crutch for the ignorant who don’t want to do any work to find the truth, or those who can’t handle the fact that they have to be responsible and not just do whatever they want whenever they want. Umm.. you took that the wrong way. When I mentioned the incompetent sheep I meant the thousands of humans without the concept of empathy and that religion herds (more like threatens but ok) them into being acceptable human beings. Also im starting to hate that word ingnorant. For most people ignorant = your views are diffrent than mine so you are dumb.In reply to:It just blows my mind sometimes the extremes people will go to just to have their so called ‘freedom from God.’ Adam and Eve started it with ‘hiding’ from God in the garden of Eden, now people are ‘hiding’ from God right here and now. Incompetent, hmmm.There is no freedom from the magic ghost cause he doesnt exist. Adam and Eve never existed either and btw its impossible to turn a body part into a living human being. If you think im wrong... try it yourself.
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In reply to: Oh yeah and way to go religion ... you just got another sheep to listen to you since you promised a free teleportation into another dimension after death! Sheep? I happened to have the same idea before it was ever posted.
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I was referring to your statement that we Christians are bound to crazy rules, and that our lifestyle is completely different than that of an average and decent human being.
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In reply to: That site is VERY biased. It is biased, as you say, since it was made by a creationist. The thing is, that you would have to evaluate any site you found, since any evidence can be frauded. Evolutionists bias towards a random origin, and creations bias toward a creator against evolution. There is hardly any non-biased media out there, since everybody's writing is shaped by their views. So yes, it is a biased site, just like any other. Here's how it came about: In the summer of 1989, the author learned that the California State Department of Education had recently notified the private, non-tax funded Graduate School of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), that it would have to close its doors if it did not begin teaching evolutionary origins and processes in its science classes.Since 1972, ICR has worked steadily to educate the public in regard to the many evidences disproving evolution. An attempt to close their college because it would not teach that which its doctoral scientists knew to be error—and had satisfactorily shown to be error—was ridiculous; yet this is the situation our nation is coming to.That education department ruling crystallized in the author the conviction that an in-depth book needed to be written to help awaken the thinking public to what scientific facts really have to say about creation science and evolutionary theory. (Incidentally, by court action, the ruling was later rescinded.)I'll research some of the things you brought up here.
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God's not in time, he sees all of time everywhere, he created the concept of time that we have. The statement that 'His time is different' doesn't make much sense to me. It reminds me of the simpsons episode where Lisa was doing the science experiment of the tooth soaking in coca-cola and shocked it, and she created that whole little civilization on the tooth. That's clever, but not the idea portrayed in the bible. Lisa is temporary, while the Christian God is eternal, according to His own words. To be a bible-believing christian, one must have faith in a 6 day creation, otherwise you're limiting God's power to what you think he can do. If you believe in evolution, then you don't believe in the christian God, because the Christian God is based on biblical teachings and taking God's Word as His Word and Truth. If you don't have faith in the Christian Bible, your god is something other than the Christian God. The Hebrew version of the bible has multiple ways of referring to time. There is a word for an extended period of time, and also a word for a literal 24 hours period. According to the bible in it's original language, God took each step during one 24 hour period. Anything other than a literal 6 day creation shouldn't be called christian, and you can't be a christian if you don't believe in the authority of the bible, because you'd have nothing. Just believing that God exists doesn't make you a christian.
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In reply to: First of all, what do you mean by lower lifeforms I think what he was getting at, Robbob, is how come the animals we (or other animals) evolved from are still alive if we evolved to be better in the surroundings? Shouldn't they have died off completely resulting in only one species per climate type?
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In reply to: its impossible to turn a body part into a living human being. If you think im wrong... try it yourself. Umm, something harder would be creating the universe with all it's natural laws or making all the plants and animals with perfect genetic structure..those sound hard to me too, but then I'm not God. God is. I'll let Him handle creation. Telling me it's impossible for me to make a woman out of my rib isn't doing you much good, because I could have told you that...
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Oh yeah and I never said the Bible didnt have any history or correct information in there but just because a man named Jesus might have existed (only 6 accounts?) doesnt mean that he had healing powers among other things.
That's true, which is why one looks for corroborating evidence.
http://www.probe.org/docs/ancient.html
This site is a record of just a few of the documentations of non-christians during the time of Jesus.
http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth21.html
This site refers to the gospels and also scientific aspects of the reliability of a 'magical man named Jesus'
It also uses outside sources. This site looks more full than the one I referenced to above.http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/sources.htm
Also another good one, but basically has the same info.
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/JewishJesus/
here's a site that shows why some sources might not be reliable if you want a look at the other side...
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16. Atheism, yes. Actually I taught myself to do that. Yeah sorry im actually a failed attempt of religious brainwashing by some of my bible hugging family.
Hey cool it looks like we're opposites! I'm an 18 year old christian, converted just before 16. When did you decide to be an atheist? What specifically led you to that decision?
I would consider myself a failed attempt of evolutionary brainwashing by some of my atheistic family!
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In reply to: The statement that 'His time is different' doesn't make much sense to me. Sure it does, which is why we say, things will happen in God's time. He has to have some form of time, because things that happen in sequence have to follow a specific time line. Say if God wanted to create three people..ok? He wants the first two to conceive a child and that child would be the third. Now in order for that sequence to unfold, He has to have a concept of time, so that the first two could me, have sex, and bare a child. The child will be coming at a later time then as God will have wanted it that way. At least those are my thoughts.
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He has a concept of time, He's got concepts of anything far beyond anything we humans can conceive. When people say 'things will happen in God's time' they mean that as God wants things to unfold, He'll unfold them. God sees our pasts and our futures, and knows every decision we will ever make. He doesn't control them, but He knows what we're going to use our free will for. All the things in the bible happen according to God's plan, and God chose to use all the methods that He has to benefit the greatest number of people, since He knew what we would all choose to do in certain cirucmstances. We're not necessarily 'predestined' since we have freedom of choice, but God's not surprised by anything that happens. 'Happen in God's time' just means that it will happen in our time when God lets it happen. Yes, God does have a concept of time, because He created it for us. If He was restricted by our time, he wouldn't be able to be omniscient, and it would be hard for Him to answer everybody's prayers is everybody was praying at once. That's what I've learned anyway. I started a study once on time and God and how they relate but I didn't finish it. I'll have to start it up again. If you want a good book concerning 'the time of God' try Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, chapter IV section 3.
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For those of you REALLY interested in learning just a few of the reasons why I believe what I do, here are a couple of sites with some great information. You would call them biased simply because they don't support your beliefs, yet I believe the first give evolution the attention it deserves in a very creative way. Don't dismiss them immediately, but give their ideas some thought and research. It brings a lot of falsehoods about evolution to the front. Browse them a bit, the first one is a bit more fun, with pictures and slide shows, the second one is more technical, and shows validity in the Bible's word.