Oh Last, u make me chuckle. Calling me a jehoves witness, briliant, and spelling jesus, jeeezzzzzusss. Im never gonna get homework done with posts like that. Ill let F22 take care of all the smart stuff he'll tell u what a jehoves witness is. I spose you could research it for yourself.... He seems to have his head in the book on different religions. So keep on reading, then it will all be explained, what a jehoves witness is, and more importantly what it isnt.
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Sorry, I was wrong for comparing Christianity to Hitler. I was trying to make a point, but I went way overboard. You're right, Christianity doesn't persecute the way Hitler did, and I'm sorry that I put it that way. My wish would be that Christianity would be more accepting of homosexuals, and it is a fact that Christianity doesn't since it goes against a fundamentalist Christian's beliefs. That's all I should've said and will say now.
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I think were on the same page, slightly. But my only defense is that i accept homosexuals, not homosexuality. Every man has there own struggles. Some people struggle with homosexual tendencies, never-the-less it is a sin. A sin that can be overcome by the grace of God. Let me make sure i make my self clear here. Being a human who struggles with homosexuality is not a sin, being homosexual is.
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In reply to: are all the fundamentalist christians on here jehovahs witnesses or what??? jeeeezzzzzussssss. (more responses later, but gotta do my close at work and get outta here!) Where do you get the idea that anybody on this site anywhere is a Jehovah's Witness? Jehovah's witnesses are not fundamentalist Christians. They are Jehovah's Witnesses. I, Last, am a fundamentalist Christian. What's the difference you ask? Well, amazingly enough, I have a book on it right here.There are many contradictions between Jehovah's witnesses and Christian doctinal teaching, such as:1) Jesus is a creature, not a man or a god (He was God and man)2) Jesus was the Archangel Michael (uh, no)3) That Jesus was not resurrected bodily, but as a spirit being. (no, he was resurrected with a body. Thomas stuck his finger in his arm hole)4) That Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 (We'll all know when Jesus comes back, it'll be pretty obvious. Also, it is said that nobody except God, not even the angels know when Jesus is coming back.5) That Jesus was only a man when on earth, not "The Word become flesh" (He said otherwise)6) That the Holy Spirit is only an active force, not the Person of God (I'm not saying that it's true because the bible says it, only that there are major belief differences between us and Jehovah's Witnesses)7) That Hell is simply the grave (Hell is hell, sounds like an awful place)8) Heaven's doors are open only to 144,000 people (The doors of heaven are open to anybody who accepts the truth)9) The majority of witnesses must remain on earth (Why, if Jesus already came back and they can't go to heaven anyway?? I wouldn't bother if there was no chance of going to heaven...)10) Salvation is found only through the "Organization" (Salvation is found only through Jesus Christ. See Tomcat's post above, quote by Jesus.)11) Satan is the author of the doctrine of the Trinity (The trinity is displayed throughout scripture, so they'd have to believe that scripture is satan breathed, not God-breathed like it says it is [All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)])12) Jesus cannot be given worship, but only honor as Jehovah's first creation (what?? Jesus is God, I can worship God if I want)They deny several essential, yet basic tenets of "Fundamentalist" Christian Doctrine such as:1) The trinity2) The deity of Christ3) The bodily resurrection of Christ4) The visible return of Christ5) The person of God in the Holy Spirit6) The promise of Heaven to all believers7) The necessity of the new birth for all believers8) The Lord's supper for all believers, not just the 144,0009) The eternal security of the believer10) The conscious eternal punishment of the lost who refuse to use their free will the way God intended. Charles Russell founded the Jehovah's Witnesses because he didn't understand major concepts in the bible. He decided to create his own religion based off christianity to get rid of things like the trinity and hell.I leave with this:Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not reality.I'm not a phsysics student, so I don't fully understand Einstein's formulation, the basis of his theory of relativity. However, in light of that, if an atomic bomb went off outside this building right now I would certainly have immediate verification whether i understand how it works or not. I've never seen an atomic bomb go off. The facts provide me with evidence that it would kill me if one went off outside. Just because we don't always understand things doesn't mean they can't be true. The question is not "Can our three pound brain understand this concept" but "What have we been shown, and what has been revealed to us"
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Also, I'm glad at least ONE of us is getting paid for this....how do you not get fired, Last???
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ok first off you twat, when i said i was raised christian, i wasn't entirely honest, as it wasn't just christian, it as a jehovah's witness. now, i DEFINITELY know more about the religion than you do as your facts are WAY off. the reason i asked if you were, is that alot of what you are stating def falls into that 'JW' belief. and yes, they are a fundamentalist religion. fundamentalists are not limited to strictly christian, you could have fundamentalist protastants, mormons (naturally), jw's, christians, etc. In reply to: 1) Jesus is a creature, not a man or a god (He was God and man) now, are you saying jw's believe this or you do? cause jw's believe he is the son of god, not god. but was a man as well (still the son of god). In reply to: 2) Jesus was the Archangel Michael (uh, no) exactly no. they don't believe that either. the archangel michael is the archangel michael. do some research here mate. you are completely off your rocker. In reply to: 3) That Jesus was not resurrected bodily, but as a spirit being. (no, he was resurrected with a body. Thomas stuck his finger in his arm hole) well, it was both. you could see him and talk to him (according to their bible) but then he left for heaven. so was a man, then became a spirit. In reply to: 4) That Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 (We'll all know when Jesus comes back, it'll be pretty obvious. Also, it is said that nobody except God, not even the angels know when Jesus is coming back. buzzer sounds wrong again. he didn't return at all. that was when the evil angels were cast out of heaven to earth. and no, he isn't coming back. armagedon is supposedly coming to destroy all the wicked people. but jesus isn't coming. wow, this is really invigerating to put you in your place about a subject you are supposed to know everything on! In reply to: 5) That Jesus was only a man when on earth, not "The Word become flesh" (He said otherwise) not sure what you are on about with this statement. In reply to: 6) That the Holy Spirit is only an active force, not the Person of God (I'm not saying that it's true because the bible says it, only that there are major belief differences between us and Jehovah's Witnesses) wow you got one right. In reply to: 7) That Hell is simply the grave (Hell is hell, sounds like an awful place)8) Heaven's doors are open only to 144,000 people (The doors of heaven are open to anybody who accepts the truth) two more points for you, what's that make -27? In reply to: 9) The majority of witnesses must remain on earth (Why, if Jesus already came back and they can't go to heaven anyway?? I wouldn't bother if there was no chance of going to heaven...) they remain on earth as god is supposedly making it a paradise...another load of shite if you ask me. In reply to: 10) Salvation is found only through the "Organization" true, but that is also what you believe, you see, they call their religion 'the truth' and i have read you call your beliefs the very same thing. In reply to:11) Satan is the author of the doctrine of the Trinity wrong, try again. In reply to: 12) Jesus cannot be given worship, but only honor as Jehovah's first creation now why do you suppose they are called JEHOVAH"S witnesses? because as they see it, jehovah IS god, and jesus is his son, the first creation. In reply to: 1) The trinity2) The deity of Christ3) The bodily resurrection of Christ4) The visible return of Christ5) The person of God in the Holy Spirit6) The promise of Heaven to all believers7) The necessity of the new birth for all believers8) The Lord's supper for all believers, not just the 144,0009) The eternal security of the believer10) The conscious eternal punishment of the lost who refuse to use their free will the way God intended 1. they don't deny the trinity, but they say it is a pagan ideal/idea2. no.3. no.4. no.5. it's not holy spirit to them, it's jehovah god. so you are just missinformed.6. the promise to heaven IS only to 144,000, but the rest get to live in an apparent perfect world forever7. new birth for all believers is correct. when apparent armagedon comes, those who believed in the past will be resurrected to live forever in paradise...kinda hokey eh?8. blah blah blah, actually research what you are talking about.9. eternal what? DO YOUR RESEARCH, even if you are not going to heaven, you are still living eternally on a paradise.10. well, seriously, how can anyone believe in that? an all loving god is going to eternally punish those who don't serve him? common sense rules out that one!and you are half right about charles russel. he did found the jw's, but it wasn't because he didn't like heaven and hell, he was just another twat like you pushing what he saw as the 'truth' onto other people.and the reason i don't get fired is that i am actually allowed to work on the internet, infact my boss casually reads up on this site as well and laughs at you fundamentalists, oh and he agrees w me.f22, i thank you for making me think back to the days where i was forced into that horrible religion, and as i said earlier they are fundamentalists just like you. reason: when i was young i was something of an artist (highest mark in class always) however, i was really into comic books, you know spider-man and what not. at the age of 14, they destroyed 5 years of artwork because they saw it as a 'bad influence', and a $3000.00 comic book collection, because again, bad influence. we won't even get into the fact that i was unable to hang around w any of my friends in the religion because a) i had declared my atheism and was a bad influence, or w my non jw friends because b) my parents saw them as a bad influence. right before all of this, i had declared my atheism as i started to think for myself and saw the many holes that are in their religon. you speak VERY MUCH like they do, even today. there is a HUGE similarity between fundamentalists and jw's, not necessarily in the exact belief, but in attitude and how right you think you are. i would also advise you to read up on something you know nothing about.
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In reply to: From: http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm The testimony of history is clear: The Trinity teaching is a deviation from the truth, an apostatizing from it. Since Jehovah's witnesses belive that satan causes confusion in the church then they also belive that satan created the 'Trinity' through the Constantine at the Council of Nicaea to cause confusion. Another thing is that Mormons and Christians belive totally different things.In reply to:Also from watchtower.org Jesus died and was resurrected by God as a spirit creature, and he returned to heaven. (1 Peter 3:18) That doesn't sound like He was still man to me. As from Christians 'persecuting' homosexuals: Did you not read what was said earlier?? EVERY human has sinned, ALL sins are equally bad. If i stole from a store, it would be no worse (in the ways of being bad) than killing someone. Now before you jump on that Last, That is that there is no gray area, bad is bad. It doesn't matter how you sin just that you sin. But luckily God will forgive you if you ask Him. Isn't it great!!
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they are a fundamentalist religion. fundamentalists are not limited to strictly christian
No, they aren't limited to strictly christian. I'm merely stating a difference between being a fundamentalist JW and a fundamentalist christian (the latter of which is what I am)
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exactly no. they don't believe that either. the archangel michael is the archangel michael. do some research here mate. you are completely off your rocker.
Why don't YOU do some research on your own past beliefs, Last?? obviously you weren't even a very good Jehovah's witness since you don't even know what they believe. You almost had me convinced that I'd said something untrue, Last. Unfortunately for you, I took your advice and did some more research...on the Watchtower home site no less.
"The foremost angel, both in power and authority, is the archangel, Jesus Christ, also called Michael."
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1995/11/1/the_truth_about_angels.htm
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well, it was both. you could see him and talk to him (according to their bible) but then he left for heaven. so was a man, then became a spirit.
My belief as a Christian: Jesus was resurrected with a physical body and then ascended into heaven.
Jehovah's Witness: "Jesus died and was resurrected by God as a spirit creature, and he returned to heaven."
http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm?article=article_03.htm
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now why do you suppose they are called JEHOVAH"S witnesses? because as they see it, jehovah IS god, and jesus is his son, the first creation.
Jesus is God portrayed as a human, one of the three forms He displays Himself in to us
This is what it says in my bible:
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
Jehovah's witnesses, however:
Jesus is the only Son that God created by himself.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm?article=article_03.htm
First off, God doesn't need help creating things, he can do it by himself. He's a big boy.
Secondly, Jesus is God, not JUST His first creation and something to be proud of.In reply to:
*buzzer sounds* wrong again. he didn't return at all.
I agree, He didn't return at all, and we don't know when he will, only that He will (are you ready for Him?)...but unlike what you say, that's not what the Jehovah's witnesses believe...
For some 35 years prior to 1914, The Watchtower (now the most widely distributed religious magazine on earth) had been calling attention to 1914 as a year marked in Bible prophecy. These prophecies began to have a remarkable fulfillment in 1914. One of these was Jesus' own prophecy, uttered 1,900 years ago, concerning "the sign" that would appear at the end of the system of things and that would prove that he was invisibly present with kingly power.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/lmn/article_10.htm
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they don't deny the trinity, but they say it is a pagan ideal/idea
They clearly deny the trinity all over their little website.
"Not a Plural God:
JESUS called God "the only true God." Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons."I could study that more, but regardless of whether or not Jesus specifically said it on earth, God the Father refers to it in Genesis.
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the promise to heaven IS only to 144,000, but the rest get to live in an apparent perfect world forever
Are you implying that heaven is not a perfect world? Why would I want to go to heaven if I can live on a perfect world forever? And how come those guys got to go to heaven and I didn't?? craziness!
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blah blah blah, actually research what you are talking about.
Thanks, I sure will. How about you?
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eternal what? DO YOUR RESEARCH, even if you are not going to heaven, you are still living eternally on a paradise.
See above statements :wink:
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well, seriously, how can anyone believe in that? an all loving god is going to eternally punish those who don't serve him? common sense rules out that one!
Its your choice if you choose the Way or not. He's offered it to you out of love, refuse it if you wish.
Common sense, unless common sense is going against all given knowledge and reason, points to Christianity. Period.
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and you are half right about charles russel. he did found the jw's, but it wasn't because he didn't like heaven and hell, he was just another twat like you pushing what he saw as the 'truth' onto other people.
Well, he had a reason to see it as the truth, and the truth is he didn't like the idea of hell and the trinity because his mind couldn't understand it. I'm sure he didn't have in mind when he founded JW "Hey, I think I'm going to lead some people to a false religion today...I'm bored"
NOTE: He's got no right to base his false religion off Christianity. Create your own beliefs if you're going to lead people astray, no cheating.
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f22, i thank you for making me think back to the days where i was forced into that horrible religion, and as i said earlier they are fundamentalists just like you.
reason: when i was young i was something of an artist (highest mark in class always) however, i was really into comic books, you know spider-man and what not. at the age of 14, they destroyed 5 years of artwork because they saw it as a 'bad influence', and a $3000.00 comic book collection, because again, bad influence. we won't even get into the fact that i was unable to hang around w any of my friends in the religion because a) i had declared my atheism and was a bad influence, or w my non jw friends because b) my parents saw them as a bad influence. right before all of this, i had declared my atheism as i started to think for myself and saw the many holes that are in their religon. you speak VERY MUCH like they do, even today. there is a HUGE similarity between fundamentalists and jw's, not necessarily in the exact belief, but in attitude and how right you think you are.
-I agree, JW is a horrible religion to follow. I mean, it's false! Psh, I have better things to do with my time than follow false teachings!
-I like comic books too, Last. I don't have any, but several people here at my college have HUGE comic book collections. Man, this one guy down the hall brought in several shoeboxes worth, and that's just what he brought to school...
-I will never keep my kids away from people just because they are a different religion. My kids'll be able to see the facts for themselves. One of my favorite activities is studying other religions, and I'll never deny them that knowledge.
-I'm sorry that the JW's treated you like that, Last. Please note, that just b/c THEY treated you like that doesn't mean that's what all Christians would do (Note also they aren't Christians, they're Jehovah's Witnesses, a religion based off Christian teachings with a bunch of other 'stuff' pushed into it.)
-Last, you seem to think you're awfully right too, and for no reason that I've been given anyway. Well, maybe that's because you don't have any reasons why you should be right except for that you said so. Lets use FACTS that we've RESEARCHED before we go off on each other, OK?
Also, if you don't believe in JW anymore, who cares anyway?? We were debating Christianity. :grin:
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In reply to: there is no gray area, bad is bad. amen to that In reply to: But luckily God will forgive you if you ask Him. Isn't it great!! AMEN TO THAT!! Well said, Dan. It's the best thing anyone could ever experience on earth, no doubt about that!
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ok...here we go. i guess my basic problem with you and your beliefs as well as jehovah's witnesses and their beliefs is this: the idea that you are SOLELY right is absurd. that you, being a maggot of a person, surrounded by millions and millions of other human beings have found the ONE TRUE ideal is rediculous and egotistical. if you believe in religion and god, i don't have a problem with it, if you are going to say that YOU ARE RIGHT, and anyone who does not believe in your god is wrong, then you need to be shot (i mean this VERY literally). you people are whats wrong w our society today. you are the same people that start wars. you may not be as horrible as hitler, but you are definitely on the flip side of the coin.you do not accept people for their teachings or the fact that they may lead a different life style as you and your beliefs. (ie: homos) you don't have the right to tell anyone else they are wrong and if they don't devout themselves to god before they die, or at least repent for their sins, they will burn forever. you are judging people where it is not your right. i hope that your god exists, for the simple fact that people like YOU are going to be punished for sticking your nose up at people who maybe think or act differently. as i said at othertimes, i am a paradox for sure. i believe what you are doing is wrong and state it, however it can also be said that what i am saying to you goes against what i am saying, but that is where it ends. i have friends who believe in god, i have friends who attend church, i do not say these things to them because religion, god, beliefs all of these are for YOU, not for you to push on other people and judge them.if god is there and does watch us, i surely hope he is writing down how bloody ignorant you fundamentalists are being.for the fun of it, i looked up fundamentalist at www.dictionary.com, and look at what i found:"A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism "you readily admit that this is what you are...makes you think, i recall the word 'intolerant' being used to describe hitler as well.it's funny, all this because you can't accept that what you believe is simply that, a belief.
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Anyone who is serious about his religion should think that it is the right one. Otherwise, why would he or she be involved in it? Christians are admonished: "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) A person should make sure that his beliefs can be supported by the Scriptures, for there is only one true faith. Ephesians 4:5 confirms this, mentioning "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." Jesus did not agree with the modern, relaxed view that there are many roads, many religions, all leading to salvation. Instead, he said: "Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it."
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you people are whats wrong w our society today. you are the same people that start wars.
Ya, but what would wars be over if not for religion? Oh, maybe power, greed and money. Hmmmm. That seems like if people followed God and didn't lust for things like power, money ect. they wouldn't fight wars. Think about a country that has had an uprising. What were the people uprising against? Oh ya, greedy, power hungry people! What a thought.
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if god is there and does watch us, i surely hope he is writing down how bloody ignorant you fundamentalists are being.
What a funny thing for a non-beliver to say. Irony is a funny thing.
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In reply to: ok...here we go. i guess my basic problem with you and your beliefs as well as jehovah's witnesses and their beliefs is this: I just contradicted your every thought on a subject you thought you knew perfectly and yet all you can say is ok well fine but I'm still right?? In reply to: being a maggot of a person You realize, that every time you say stuff like that, you lose credibility, therefore minimizing your chances to make me not believe in my God, which you stated earlier is your 'purpose and goal in life' In reply to: egotistical I'm humbled to be in His service. The only egotistical idea here is that you know more than science and scripture put together In reply to: if you believe in religion and god, i don't have a problem with it, if you are going to say that YOU ARE RIGHT, and anyone who does not believe in your god is wrong, then you need to be shot (i mean this VERY literally) If you are going to say YOU are right and claim my beliefs are wrong without any verification, then YOU, sir, should be BLESSED (I mean this very literally) In reply to: you do not accept people for their teachings you don't accept me for my teachings (in which i mean the teachings of Jesus). Or did you mean the teachings of science...oh no wait, I DO accept those and use them to my advantage... In reply to: you don't have the right to tell anyone else they are wrong The balloon is red, Last, regardless of what you've believed. In reply to: you are judging people where it is not your right One must have some standard to live by. What better than the laws God gave us? I don't judge, I just point out inconsistancies in people's lives that conflict with the will of their Creator. I certainly don't think any less of you than I do with my best of friends. In fact, I'd be priveleged if you became a christian. You've got a lotta spunk. In reply to: i hope that your god exists uhhhh In reply to: for the simple fact that people like YOU are going to be punished for sticking your nose up at people who maybe think or act differently I do NOT stick up my nose, Last. I reach out my hand to help them make their way along in life. In reply to: i am a paradox for sure You're tellin me In reply to: i have friends who believe in god, i have friends who attend church, i do not say these things to them because religion, god, beliefs all of these are for YOU, not for you to push on other people and judge them. My God is for everyone, I don't push, I offer. I actually go a step further and explain why you should accept God's offer. In reply to: if god is there and does watch us, i surely hope he is writing down how bloody ignorant you fundamentalists are being. uhhh, speak for yourself, Last, and oh, yeah, He does exist, and watch us, and he's most certainly taking notes. That's why I offer only my best to Him. In reply to: "A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism "you readily admit that this is what you are... Yes, Last, I readily admit that that's what I am:Intolerant:Unable or unwilling to endure or supportI have no verifiable proof to support anything you've said. Without proof, how could I support it? I most certainly am "intolerant" of secularism, because the very nature of nature itself speaks against it. In reply to: it's funny, all this because you can't accept that what you believe is simply that, a belief. ? I've said that numerous times. I really do think you haven't read a single thing I've said...I've stated continuously that Christianity is a BELIEF based on facts and personal experience . Apparently you didn't pick up on that though, I'm sorry I'll try to be more clear in the future. In reply to: you people are whats wrong w our society today. you are the same people that start wars. you may not be as horrible as hitler, but you are definitely on the flip side of the coin. The flip side? I'm on the opposite side from hitler? Hey guess what everybody, don't listen to me, because I'm the opposite side from Hitler. In reply to: makes you think, i recall the word 'intolerant' being used to describe hitler as well. His definition went more like this:"Opposed to the inclusion or participation of those different from oneself, especially those of a different racial, ethnic, or social background."That's not true of Christians at all. We welcome racial, ethnic, and social diversity with open arms. (At least I, as a christian, do)One word can have many meanings. Those meanings are the best choice to fit the circumstances. I am 'intolerant,' however in a VERY different way from hitler.Here's some general unspoken rules for debating:1) Know your side and how to support it2) Don't contradict things that go along with your side3) Don't contradict your own personal statements, ESPECIALLY in the same post.4) Have a general knowledge not only of the other person's side, but also WHY they take that side. Christians aren't perfect, only God is perfect. I won't disagree that many wars based entirely on religion have been faught, and needlessly at that. However, that doesn't mean that every christian wants to incite war on everything that isn't in agreeance with him. Wars have been faught over things in the absence of christian belief as well. I can't support everything that all christians decide to do, because sometimes their actions taken are wrong. However, pretty much any other belief has just as much chance at going to war. If everybody followed biblical teachings perfectly (which is impossible because we're imperfect, but its good to try) then there would be NO war, guaranteed.
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In reply to: I have no verifiable proof to support anything you've said. Without proof, how could I support it? I most certainly am "intolerant" of secularism, because the very nature of nature itself speaks against it. you don't need to 'support' it, you just need to accept it and not try and change it. and yes, i readily admit i am a paradox. your bible contradicts itself left right and center, however, it's a load more suble than how i do it. regardless....i found something that, although a parady, a very good discription of people like you:anti choiceanti girlI am the anti-flag unfurledanti white and anti lawI got the anti-future plananti fascistanti modI am the anti-music godanti soberanti whorethere will never be enough of anti moreI can't believe in the thingsthat don't believe in menow it's your turn to see misanthropyanti people now you've gone too farhere's your antichrist superstaranti moneyanti hateanti things I fucked and ateanti copanti funhere is my anti-president gunanti Satananti blackanti world is on my backanti gay and anti dopeI am the faggot anti-popeanti peaceanti lifeanti husband, anti wifeanti song and anti meI don't deserve a chance to be now i am sure you are going to pick out each and every line, take them literally and state that you are not this. the idea is that you are soooo right, that you often times will sound like this. not everything has to be taken literally, including YOUR bible.
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In reply to: you don't need to 'support' it, you just need to accept it and not try and change it. and yes, i readily admit i am a paradox. your bible contradicts itself left right and center, however, it's a load more suble than how i do it. regardless.... A real scientist or even just a truth seeking person would never accept something without facts. It's just common sense, something you speak of often but show seldom in your arguments.
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In reply to: you don't need to 'support' it, you just need to accept it Boy that's sure scientific. I'm sure you just convinced everybody on the forum not to believe in God with that one statement.... I would NEVER believe something that couldn't be supported without a little good research. I, Last, don't have a BLIND faith such as yours. I'm a christian for goodness sake! In reply to: your bible contradicts itself left right and center. Oh, who told you that? well, for as much as its worth, for those of us that have read it, we know that that's an outright lie. Stop misleading people, Last. You're a much too angry person. Lighten up and enjoy life the way it's meant to be. As much as I know you hate researching and learning, maybe you should check and see if your 'contradictions' really say things that contradict. In reply to: the idea is that you are soooo right, that you often times will sound like this. The only way it would sound like me, Last, is if you support every statement in that little poem with PROOF that can't be denied. Sounds a lot more like you if I may say so myself.
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In reply to:Boy that's sure scientific. I'm sure you just convinced everybody on the forum not to believe in God with that one statement.... I would NEVER believe something that couldn't be supported without a little good research. I, Last, don't have a BLIND faith such as yours. I'm a christian for goodness sake!In reply to:The only way it would sound like me, Last, is if you support every statement in that little poem with PROOF that can't be denied. Sounds a lot more like you if I may say so myself.Umm I dunno about everyone else but imo atheism is hardly a religion and more like a neutral nothing-spiritual-exists belief set. So I dunno why you say you would never believe anything without proof while atheism requires none. But on the other hand other religions require you to believe in some magical ghost who created everything along with many other crazy ideas such as heaven and hell. Which is obviously a way to try to scare people into follow a given religions rules along with the religion itself. Also you think by attempting to slightly disprove anything that is remotely involved with atheism you are doing the impossible which is proving the magic ghost known as god to be true. But then again you are right about the fact that the magic ghost cant be disproven. Which really means nothing because you also cant disprove that there is a half-apple pie half-squirrel mega queen goddes that created all forms of life that a book told me exists and that gets us nowhere.
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You really need to read the rest of the debate. I found it to be quite convincing, the way f22fighter stated the facts relating to his beliefs. My beliefs haven't changed, I'm not atheist.... but I am about as far from being a fundamentalist as you can be without being atheist I'm very open with my beliefs, and I don't practice any specific religion and I don't take anything to be the absolute truth. Anyways, you should read the rest of the debate, there's alot to learn from it. And btw, prepare to be flamed, lol. Comparing your post to most others, you've left yourself completely open and without support. Something that became necessary in this thread a while back when we started becoming more precise about what we were saying.
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In reply to: So I dunno why you say you would never believe anything without proof while atheism requires none. Atheism requires no proof? Don't you have to belive in evolution? Or maybe that you actuly exist? What about how you cam to be you? You have to have faith that there is no God and that you won't get in trouble with Him if there actully is one. In reply to: Also you think by attempting to slightly disprove anything that is remotely involved with atheism you are doing the impossible which is proving the magic ghost known as god to be true. So if it is impossible to prove God then it should be relitivly easy for you to prove that either there is no God or that evolution or some alternitive is true. What are you veiws anyway? If you've read the whole post you know mine. I'd like to know.
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In reply to:Atheism requires no proof? Don't you have to belive in evolution? Well I think the idea of natural selection requires no proof. Its not that difficult a concept to understand. It only seems obvious and natural that the most fit would breed and eventually cause evolution. Which is a harder concept to prove. But its not impossible like proving the magic ghosts existence. Also evolution has actual evidence behind it.In reply to:Or maybe that you actuly exist? LolIn reply to:What about how you cam to be you? Umm DNA and the enviornment I grew up in. Simple.In reply to:You have to have faith that there is no GodNot really cause I would never even take such a magical superstitious and ridiculus idea into consideration.In reply to:And that you won't get in trouble with Him if there actully is one.Hehe. I feel bad for people who think they are bound to so many crazy rules and restrictions. Not the moral ones though which probably the only good thing that religion does. Which is to herd the sheep. Especially the incompetent ones.
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Ok... I just read the rest of the thread and it was so entertaining ! ! Wish I knew about it sooner. Btw Last you are incredibly funny and pretty got most of my points across. Also I am totally surprised by the number of people who follow their god because of the idea that it MIGHT be to their convenience. Be it getting "free love" a tickect to "heaven" or acceptance by the rest of the sheep. All of which are euqally pathetic and reinforces the idea of religion being a crutch for the weak minded. But if you are going to being in a weekly chanting cult then you have to do it cause you think its right not because its convenient.Lastly... another thing that pisses me off is when people define their sexuality by the person they are currently seeing. Being homosexual has way more to it than the actual act feeling good. It is more of an ATTRACTION to members of the same sex. Also another thing that is pure bs is when people say religion changed their sexuality. Has anyone heard of a new thing called bisexuality? And if in fact the person was truely gay to begin with then I wouldnt be surprised if they either go on to lead a miserable life with their new bff (wife) or if they become a priest and ruin some little kids life when they reach the point of uncontrollability.