Our President is REALLY uneducated

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Yeah, you're right. I can't imagine anywhere in the U.S. where you'd pay $300 for three bedrooms +, unless you were living in subsidized housing.

I live here and its not that low! I have a buddy that owns several houses he rents and he makes about 800 a month for a 2 bedroom in a duplex.
Utah isnt that bad really, aside from the predominant LDS laws and ignorant bastards that drive on the roads like they are the chosen ones and have the rights cos god said so.
People complain about californias drivers alot but iv spent some time in cali and I can tell ya Id rather drive there then here. We dont have an ocean but there is mountains and lakes and rivres and overal the air is pretty damned decent here at 4700 feet above sea level (the town where I live is at 4700) no real tempeture extremes to hot or cold an its dry here unlike when I was down south and was sweaty from gettig out of the shower and the air was heavy an dpushed down on me as sson as I stepped out of the air conditioned car.
I cant defend utah really, but if it were not for the people I wouldnt mind living here

Our President is REALLY uneducatedOur president has a Yale degree (did he get in as a legacy?) and a Harvard MBA. He's not an intellectual, he's not curious, he's not engaged, and he's not extremely smart. He doesn't like to read. He has no track record of success at anything, beyond winning elective office and clearing brush. Other than the family he was born into, he is not extraordinary in any way. Yet he is the President of the U.S.

so now are we saying education is the paper you hold in your hand that says you graduated nad Bush is very wel educate or is it what you amassed as knowlege and your undersand of proven postulates adn ability to memorize information or atleast how to research information and wher to look for the answers?does this mean Steve that you are saying he is or he isnt educated?I caught that you think hes not stupendous to any degree and not intelligent at all but Im just wondering how your measuring education as the acy of graduating from the education system or by an individuals understanding of what they were educated on?On another note I wish this tet box was larger or that i had goten new glasses cos I cant see this shit im typing real wel and I would make alot less typos if I could only rea what i was typing!

[You can change the font size on any browser you're using. With Firefox, "CTRL +" increases size, and "CTRL -" decreases size.]Bush is edumacated in the sense that he holds diplomas, but he's not an educated person, and is by no means an intellectual. I wouldn't call him a complete moron, but he's nowhere nearly qualified to be president. He's in way over his head. When he doesn't have people like Karl Rove to do his thinking for him, the wheels come off the cart.He managed as governor of Texas, but they have an odd setup. The governor of that state is not the person with the most power.

Chance, in the "My home" section under Display Preferences, and under Stle Sheet (second option i think) you can change the style to larger fonts and such. Might help ya!

I'm by no means Steve but I would like to answer ya, ChanceIn this country education has become nothing more than a piece of paper, I believe. You see it all the time people who know more about their fields than anyone but are passed over becuase they don't have the piece of paper. I personally know of one girl who went to one of the two major state funded universities in Oklahoma, failed over half her classes, admitted that, but still graduated in four years. Why?, because grandma ran the bank and that bank contributed a lot of money to that university. So, I ask you what is a diploma from that school really worth, because if they pass one person over money, I guarantee there are others. If a state funded school with auditors gets away with it you know any of them can esp. private schools.As my dad always said "Education is what you put into it, the rest is just for show." Remember, also, in this era, in this country knowledge for the sake of knowledge has no value. University no longer ingages the mind and promotes critcal thought, for the sake of understanding, it is quite simply a means to end. Let me clarify one thing. I do believe university is beneficail if you are there to learn and put yourself into the pursuit of knowledge, thus my dad's quotes applicability. Otherwise its just a way to get a buck.

> University no longer ingages the mind and promotes critcal thought, for the sake of understanding, it is quite simply a means to end.

I haven't quite reach that level of cynicism, but if someone just wants a diploma, but doesn't want to actually receive an education, they can do it. The president is a perfect example.

He is a guy who had exposure, while growing up, to things most people can only dream about. He wasn't very interested in most of it. He was bored when he was overseas with his parents...he just wanted to know where he could get a beer.

Steve and Ntro, thank ya for that tip, it helps a great deal as it does enlarge the size of the text when writing a post!
Oldfolks, I agree! I was just curious how steve was defining education. I found out, especially now, that education is a matter of persistance and not intelligence. My g/f is trying to finihs her degree in computer science and networking, to date 90% of the classes she is taking have NOTHING to do with computers. it seems that its more about the fact you stuck it out and got passing grades then that you actually gained anything from the classes of your chosen subject. Sadly she is nearly a master at her chosen field and only needs the paper to say she is. I running out of money to pay for her education She has student loans for her classes and we pay cahs for text books and stuff like that but if I had more money she can clept test alot of this stuff and have her degree sooner but at the price of a test I simply cant afford it for her. Atleast those tests tet your actual understand of the given subject rather then just the fact tht you can stay in school long enough to pass all the classes.

to date 90% of the classes she is taking have NOTHING to do with computers.Which is probably a good thing. A college is not a trade school. If they do a good job, they try to teach things that are usable throughout one's life, not how to do a specific task. The idea of an undergraduate engineering degree, for intance, is to learn generically how to solve engineering problems. A bachelor's degree probably doesn't quaify its holder to design a bridge.> it seems that its more about the fact you stuck it out and got passing grades then that you actually gained anything from the classes of your chosen subject.There's some truth in that. It says something if someone has the stick-to-it-iveness to complete a degree program.

"I haven't quite reach that level of cynicism, but if someone just wants a diploma, but doesn't want to actually receive an education, they can do it. The president is a perfect example."Steve, I agree with you and perhaps overstated my opinion. After I read my post I went back and added to it. I don't know if last para. was there when you read it but I said "Let me clarify one thing. I do believe university is beneficail if you are there to learn and put yourself into the pursuit of knowledge, thus my dad's quotes applicability." Anyway yes I still think university is worthy pursuit. However, degrees should, by no means, be the sole source, that society uses, to measure intelligence. Lastly, I guess I should distinguish between the university and the proff. Its the university that I have problems with because it has been my experience that there are a great many wonderful teachers out there who do genuinely want to impart the pashion for knowledge.

That makes sense, I can grasp the concept. I just thought it would be stuff more aligne to ther chosen field.Like the math and stuff good job that makes sense but the geology, and cultural differences classes. I just thought that it was geared more toward specific education instead of general.I can understand the well rounded balance and the fact taht it shows some dedication to getting it all done, looks good for future employers, "Yeah, she finished college, took 6 years to do it"but does that really make that individual educated in the field of study that they chose?

but does that really make that individual educated in the field of study that they chose?Maybe not for a specific task, but it may make the person a better bet as an employee.OldFolks: I agree with what you said._______The scary comparison is not between John Roberts, the new chief justice of the Supreme Court, and Hariett Meiers, who just withdrew her nomination, but the comparison between Roberts and Bush. Roberts is a superstar intellect, and his mere presence makes Bush look very stupid.

>>>"but does that really make that individual educated in the field of study that they chose?"

Short answer, no, at least with law school and architecture school, the two I know about. What it does is give you the fundamental concept. An architect who just sets up practice out of school is going to have no idea about dealing with the trades and so really isn't qualified to design anything other than a simple single family house.

Mixing together computer science and networking is ironic. A computer science degree is like a philosophy degree, and a applied networking is a trade kind of thing. Non-applied networking is basically a branch of mathematics.

Between you and Stve, yeah that makes more sense to me now, and I thank you for my own brief education on a grat many subjects on these boards.
Steve, I shall never argue against you in the fact that bush is the most under qualified fool to ever have the keys to the oval office. On a posative not though, before bush, I never thought of myself as presidential material. Now anyone in the contry, natural born citizen, can aspire to the most powerful man in th nation and mayhaps earth.
coke heads, pot smokers, 3rd grade drop outs. I guess maybe I was wrong before when I said that Hunter was right in saying the American dream is dead?

> Hunter was right in saying the American dream is dead?

Hopefully only temporarily, but he would have made an interesting president. But it's impossible to make it to the top without corrupting yourself...I don't know if he could have done that. I don't know if he would have been able to get a security clearance either. :wink:

>>>"Hunter was right in saying the American dream is dead?"

No, I think Hunter had it right.

Well, maybe not dead just for sale to the highest bider.

The minimum qualifications for the white house are you can be an idiot but you have to come from the 1 presenters. Ya know, wealthy, white, whipping boy and servent of corprate america.

hmm does a fondness for mescaline and peyote bar you from that clearance? shouldnt since bush was a coke head and he got his. Hunter, I dont remember the year, but he ran for public office. right after he shaved his head. He ran for sherif of aspen and it was on the freak ticket, damned near won too. his symbol? a big red two thumbed hand holding a peyote button.Hunter has been one of my personal heros since I was about 20 I love his work and if you are into politics you should read his stuff on that as it was his first love, long before he got into the drugs and the "Gonzo Journalism". Myself I love all of his work and Iv read it all or atleast everything I can find of his. and I hope yor right steve, hope the Anerican dream is only dead for a temporary period.Long live gonzo!!

Holy shit people post allot while I'm watching a movie!!!! Could have been every 2 weeks and i got mixed up or something. They were paying rather cheap anyway, worked at some telemarketing place (both of them). All they had is a high school diploma and the other one used to be a laborer until he moved so he could work at the telemarketing place. Once the novelty of being "all growen up" (supposedly) and living alone wear off and they realise that they are going to be telemarketers for the rest of their life they will be kicking themselves.