Well I wouldn't get my sons circumcised. I wnat them to decide on their own. A lot people wish they would have had the chance to decide. The leaning is no reason to circumcise a penis. I am uncut and I never had probelms. Sure I need to pull back my foreskin to wash under it but that realy no big deal. It's just one movement. And if your cut or uncut you should wash the penis every day anyway.
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If you had kids...
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I'd circumcise my children, yes. Why you ask? Well..
A. I'm circumcised
B. While some claim there are issues with infections, i'm prefectly normal
C. I have a very sensitive head without the help of foreskin
D. The surgery was preformed while I was an infant, therefore, I remember none of the pain.Say what you may, but those are my opinions.
-M.Y.
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There have been a number of threads on this very topic. You should search them out. But to recap:> A. I'm circumcisedMy father's bald. I'm glad he didn't decide that I needed to have my head shaved in the middle. Or were you making an oblique reference to religious tradition?The rate of circumcision is going down, so I assume some circumcised fathers must be taking the leap into intact-hood for their sons.> B. While some claim there are issues with infections, i'm prefectly normalAre you saying that because you didn't get an infection, no one will get an infection?Some serious infections have resulted from circumcision surgery, although they are rare. All surgical procedures put you at risk for infection. Penicillin-resistant bacterial infections are becoming more common now, so I would hope you would have a good reason to put your child at risk for one.> C. I have a very sensitive head without the help of foreskin1. You have no idea how your sensitivity would be different if you were not circumcised, and you sure as hell have no idea how circumcision would affect the sensitivity of your child. How old are you anyway? Let us know how sensitive you are when you're in your 50's.The foreskin doesn't just maintain the sensitivity of the glans; the foreskin itself is highly innervated, and the nerve endings it contains are gone forever when the foreskin is discarded.> D. The surgery was preformed while I was an infant, therefore, I remember none of the pain.It's possible that young infants don't feel any pain when they're circumcised, but current medical thinking is leading to the possibility that they do. Isn't it possible that pain at that age can lead to some sort of psychological trauma, even if nothing is remembered? Someone can give you Versed and beat the crap out of you. When you mentally "come back", you'll have no recollection of the beating, even though you would have felt pain at the time. I wonder what effect that would have.Why couldn't you just let your son choose for himself when he's old enough to make an informed decision? My parents had it done to me without having given it much thought. If I knew did it after giving it some consideration, I would not be very happy with them.
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I respect your opinions, but I feel compelled to question some of your reasons:In reply to:A. I'm circumcisedSo what? Why is that a valid reason to circumcise your son? This is a popular reason to circumcise, and it never made any sense to me at all.In reply to:B. While some claim there are issues with infections, i'm prefectly normalInfections in a foreskin are very rare, and with simple hygiene, it is very likely your son would never get an infection under his foreskin in his entire life. Ever get an ear infection? Well, maybe you should have his ears cut off too so he can't get an infection there. While your at it, have his nails removed from his fingers and toes so he'll never get an in-grown toenail or nail fungus. Then, you may as well have his appendex removed now because it could get infected someday, and have his tonsils removed too, because you never know. Sounds crazy, doesn't it? It's the same logic though as you just gave. Think about it. In reply to:C. I have a very sensitive head without the help of foreskinWell, it is sensitive to you, but you don't know how sensitive it would be if you were intact. Most guys who were circumcised and later restored report increased sensitivity and pleasure in their glans, and those who were circumcised as adults for cosmetic reasons report decreased sensitivity in their glans. You'll never know how sensitive your head COULD be, and if you circumcise your son, he'll never know either.In reply to:D. The surgery was preformed while I was an infant, therefore, I remember none of the pain. That's some strange logic there. If you read between the lines, it sounds like you're OK with inflicting severe pain on infants, because they won't remember. How is that OK? Why create severe unnecessary pain on your newborn son when it isn't necessary? It's like "welcome to the world, now lets give you some major pain and cut part of your penis off." I just don't get it. Finally, what about your son's choice? Have you ever thought that maybe your son will grow up wishing he was uncut? He very well might. By circumcising him as a helpless newborn, you are denying his right to choose how he wants his penis to be. Why would you want to do that to your son?
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Focus, thank you for replying, and I respect your argument, let me see if I can't go into a bit more detail on these questions for you. javascript:void(0) My first statement about getting my son circumcised purely for the fact that i had this done to me, is probably my least valid point. You are right in the fact that the circumcision is not done for any real point, except to have my newborn circumcised like his father and grandfather. Your father chose to leave you uncircumcised (im assuming, if not, my mistake) and my father chose to circumcise me. Do we both pee out of the same region? Yes. Do we both get pleasure from the same sexual activities? I assume. So in the end, whether circumcised or not, we're both living just fine with the decisions made about our genitals.As you stated, the probability of getting an infection is low. but it's still there. Yes, there's always a chance one can get an infection while circumcised, but it's probably less than that of our uncicrumcised friends. Why risk it? It's one less thing you'll have to think about in the future.Well, as you said, give your son the choice to get circumcised. I'll let my son make his own choice to decide whether or not restoring his foreskin is in his best interest. It's a two way road.I'd rather the surgery be performed as an infant, and the memory of the pain gone at a mature age, than preform the surgery in the later years of a boys life, so they may experience the pain and uncomfortable state their penis is in.Again, these are my opinions, and you are entitled to yours.-M.Y.
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With all due respect, you pretty much reiterated your original ideas rather than addressing the points that focus and I brought up (which tracked pretty closely to what I said). It's fine to have an opinion, but an opinion based on facts, if facts are available, is more valuable than an opinion based on feeling.A lot of your arguments could be used to justify female genital mutilation.> i had this done to me, is probably my least valid point.It reflects nothing but ego. Your son would be a separate person. His penis does not need to look just like yours.> Do we both pee out of the same region? Yes.Of course, but what does that prove?> Do we both get pleasure from the same sexual activities? I assume.Of course, but why would you assume that you'd both get the same sexual pleasure? First of all, you don't know what you're missing in terms of sensitivity, since your foreskin was gone shortly after you were born. What if it's pleasurable, but you've lost (let's say) 25% of your potential sensation? And what if your son is born with less sensitivity than you?There are several ways the penis loses sensitivity from circumcision. First, the numerous nerve endings in the foreskin are gone. Second, the head of the penis, which is covered with a mucous membrane, dries out and hardens. Third, the head is always exposed, and is chronically rubbing against clothing material.> we're both living just fine with the decisions made about our genitalsYou're not making a point. You're just glossing over the whole thing. There are people who went deaf as infants, and live just fine without hearing, but they don't know what they're missing. It doesn't mean that it's "fine".> there's always a chance one can get an infection while circumcised, but it's probably less than that of our uncircumcised friends. Why risk it? It's one less thing you'll have to think about in the future.You skipped over focus' point about removing any organ that might cause problems. Why not get rid of the appendix, just in case? For a daughter, why not get rid of her breasts so she'll never have to worry about breast cancer? Baby formula is just fine, right?The infection issue sounds like a rationalization to me. What kind of infections did you have in mind?> Well, as you said, give your son the choice to get circumcised. I'll let my son make his own choice to decide whether or not restoring his foreskin is in his best interest. It's a two way road.Here's where you really have no idea what you're talking about. You have no idea how much difficult effort is involved in foreskin restoration, and the nerve endings in the original foreskin are lost forever. If I reached adulthood, and wanted to restore my foreskin, and made a decision based on ignorance like that, I'd be very upset indeed at my father. You should do some research and see what's involved.You also chose not to reply to the issue that the pain that is felt, even if not remembered, could be traumatic. Instead, you just repeated the same thing again (if they don't remember, then it's fine).I'm sorry, but an opinion based on lack of knowledge and lack of research is not as worthy of respect as one that is. It may not be a big deal to you, but it might be to your son.
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In reply to: There are several ways the penis loses sensitivity from circumcision. First, the numerous nerve endings in the foreskin are gone. Second, the head of the penis, which is covered with a mucous membrane, dries out and hardens. Third, the head is always exposed, and is chronically rubbing against clothing material. Fourth, often in circumcision the frenulum is removed. This is, according to wikipedia, "particularly responsive to stimulation", and "very reactive", thus contributing to erogenous pleasure during sexual activity.
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After the thousands of words that were written on this site alone...after the many Web page were published, after data was collected and analyzed...after all all the explanations...that's the bottom line? Everything is OK. That was deep.If you're not going to have sex with another person, I guess it really doesn't matter.
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It's OK if you do.
True.
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It's OK if you don't.
True.
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It just doesn't make any difference.
False.
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No, I was never circumcised. Altho I do not have the POV to say it is better or worse, I do know for a fact that there is a difference. This entire thread is discussing the many differences. Its more than just different opinions, but physical changes, stimulation changes, loss of nerves, hygene issues.
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So, all you can do is tell people of your own experienceThat's all you can do? I guess one's subjective experience is the be-all and end-all. I don't know why we're wasting so much time on all this sceince stuff. Apparently it's not needed.What really matters in your case is that you had the choice. (I assume you weren't circumcised for medical reasons, although you didn't say what your reason was.) If you circumcize your child, you take away his choice. Does that matter?
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All I'm saying is that the comment "It just doesn't make any difference" isn't true. Altho you may not notice the difference, and I'm not arguing your opinion, it still remains a fact that there is a difference and others may notice.
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I wonder what does matter. Not much, I apparently.
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ive was cut as a infant and i really wish i was not just becuase iw ould like to have the choice if i wanted my body altered in any way. when i was young about 2 years of age i was trying to push the head of my penis back into the the skin i belive i missed my forskin and was trying to get it back. its a interesting concept to think about
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Some interseting chats had here about the pros and cons of cutting your kids.If I ever have kids I think i would leave them in tact. My dad is done and so am I(medical reasonas a child) and one bro who is still is intact.I know there is opnions for both sides of this debate and I dont ever think everyone is going to be convienced either way, wheater right or wrong.Me personaly as I was done as a kid for medical reasons, I really dont mind. I have only know myself as being cut so I do not know what it would be like to be intact. I guess it would have been great to know what it feels like to jo with a forskin and have all the working parts there and wonder if it does feel that much differnt. But I think in the end we still all get the same pleasue from our dicks weather cut or uncut, and the end result for me at preset(virgin here so I only jo)still feels pretty good to me.I think there will ALWAYS be this debate about circumsion and if the parents should or should not have there child cut - I am sure if people where that concerned about it there would be world wide protest about it and I dont see that happening as there is more going on in this crazy world.Once again we are all free here to voice our thoughts and I dont think it should be a place to knock people about their thoughts.
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> Once again we are all free here to voice our thoughts and I dont think it should be a place to knock people about their thoughts.
When the subject is what you're going to do to yourself, that's fine. When it's about what you're going to do to another individual, then I thoroughly disagree.
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I am circumcised and I didn't think much of it...until I started having sex. After every session there were little tears along the shaft of the penis, which made the following few days very uncomfortable. I started looking into it because I couldn't imagine that was normal or healthy (talk about your opportunity for infection); that, combined with less sensitivity than I thought I should have. To make a long story short, it's turns out that I was likely cut too tightly. In terms of statistics, it is far more likely for the doctor to make an error during an infants circumcision than it is for a male to develop an infection. Why risk that?! I have decided that my sons will not be circumcised. I have restored a good amount of skin, but I know that it will never be the same as never having been circumcised. Your sons can make informed decisions later in life to be circumcised if they so choose, but if they're cut at birth they can never get that back. A lot of people use religious reasons to circumcise, and it is not my intent to debate that, but God keeps putting foreskin on penises so I'm inclined to think that maybe it's okay with Him. Of course it's your decision, but the more I think about it, the less circumcision makes sense.http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.htmlhttp://www.noharmm.org/incidenceworld.htmhttp://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/horror/horror.shtml
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When I have kids, I will have them circumsized. In my opinion I think they look better. Don't hate me b/c I like circumsized cock
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Nobody's hating you but, if THAT's the only reason your going to circumsize your kid/s, your a freakin idiot.How can you be so inconsiderate of your childs feelings?
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It's not the only reason. there are many. And I don't have to justify myself to you
