possibly. like i said, it depends on the situation im in
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ABORTION....
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Of course you are Ashley, and I didn’t think you were being harsh either, I just wanted to point out that sometimes on the issue of abortion the only perspective people look at it from it the person who is already visually clearly living, and they tend to forget that the baby, whatever stage of life it is at, is also a living thing. If it weren’t, it wouldn’t continue to grow and develop, as foetuses are prone to do (unless, of course, they are aborted)People who liken abortion to 'having a filling in the dentist' and similar mundane procedures, as somebody on this thread did, seem to be ignoring the fact that they too were once at that stage of life and were allowed to continue to grow and develop unhindered, otherwise they wouldn’t be around today to make inaccurate comparisons.Far from beating anybody up over having an abortion, I think people should be really aware of what it is they are doing. I had an abortion at 16 and have to live with the fact that I paid somebody to murder my baby. They are the facts, and no amount of liberalistic bullshit will change them. I sometimes look at my 12 year old and think about how he is my second child, not my first. My first child would have, and should have, been fourteen now. I reacted out of panic and fear and have regretted it ever since. And I wonder too, what would my son think if he knew I’d had his brother or sister aborted? When I got pregnant again a year or so after the abortion I just thought; ‘fuck this – it isn’t on to have another abortion, it’s time to face the music’, so I had the baby. I had been on the pill by the way, but had been taking it like a fool, forgetting it one day and taking two the next, etc.I'm not saying women shouldn’t be allowed to have abortions; I'm saying they should get real with themselves about what they're doing. If a woman paid somebody to pluck her baby out of a pram and murder it there would be international outrage, but women pay for their babies to be plucked out of their wombs every day and far from international outrage there are 'pro choice' lobbyists in every other country in the western world campaigning for their right to do so. The whole debate just makes me feel tired and emotional to be honest. People who’ve never been in the situation banging on about it (regardless what camp they’re in) piss me off too (and I’m not including you in that Ash, I’m talking about people who argue relentlessly one way or the other when they wouldn’t know an unplanned pregnancy from a hole in the head)
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wow ..god..im so sorry. i had no idea. i can tell that this issue is really important to you. i dont even really know what to say. "I reacted out of panic and fear and have regretted it ever since" - i can understand this completely. id say if i were 16 again and i got pregnant, i would have gotten an abortion too. its sad knowing that you-and so many other people out there-have to live with the fact of knowing that you would have another child in your life if you didnt get an abortion. i think that women should have the freedom to make their own decisions about their unborn baby. i do believe in abortions, like i said already, but it depends on the circumstance of the mother. everyone makes some wrong choices in their life, and everyone reacts to these choices differently.
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True, everyone does react differently. The thing is, your initial reaction to an abortion is far from certain to remain unaltered with the passing of time. When I got back from England (abortion is severely restricted in Ireland now, and was totally illegal at that time, 1992) the overwhelming feeling was one of relief, there wasnt a whiff of guilt at first, believe me. It took a couple of years for the guilt to kick in. I'd had my son and watched him get through the toddler years and that was what really got me thinking. Maybe if I hadnt had a second child I wouldnt have experienced the same quilt? I dont know; but I do know that some women wish to God they hadnt had an abortion, but I've yet to come across a woman who looked at her kids and wished to God that she had.
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well all i know is that right now, im not against abortion like i said. things change, so maybe my opinion on it will, but i dont know."but I do know that some women wish to God they hadnt had an abortion, but I've yet to come across a woman who looked at her kids and wished to God that she had. " - WELL SAID!!! its crazy how different people are..
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I am 100% for abortion, for me, and you might not agree with it, what a women chooses to do with the /child/ is 100% her choice, even if she has a husband that wants the kid, cause, if one person wants it and another doesnt want it, i dont think it will work out.One of my mums friends had like 5 abortions already in my life, I mean yeah its silly to get pregnant 5 times, but I think she has every right to get abortion if she doesnt "want" or cant "have" the child.
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"what a women chooses to do with the /child/ is 100% her choice, even if she has a husband that wants the kid, cause, if one person wants it and another doesnt want it, i dont think it will work out"Really? So by that argument in every case that one parent dosent want to take responsibility for the child they have created that child should be aborted? So there'd be no single parents in your rosy view of the world? You "dont think it will work out"? I'm a single parent and it has worked out just fine, thanks."One of my mums friends had like 5 abortions already in my life, I mean yeah its silly to get pregnant 5 times, but I think she has every right to get abortion if she doesnt "want" or cant "have" the child"One of your mothers friends is a fucking idiot. Anyone who uses abortion as contraception needs more than a packet of condoms; they need a fucking brainscan.
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In reply to: I mean yeah its silly to get pregnant 5 times Yeah, silly... whore-ish....
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>they need a fucking brainscan.
Or get her "Tubes tied" and be done with it.
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Indeed. Stories like that make a strong case for involuntary sterilisation..
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Stories like that make a strong case for involuntary sterilisation.. 100% agree.
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well, i am for abortions, unlesss ofcourse the family has the ability to suport the child
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Yeah. I absolutely adore children and I just don't think it's fair that an innocent child should have to pay for a not so innocent girl's mistake. At least put it up for adoption. IMO it's murder because of the way the abort the children. If it was like... take a shot and be done with it go right ahead but it's getting barbaric and inhumane.
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Barbaric and inhumane??? Only if it's not done early on. It's not a child when it's a glob of cells.
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no no I mean like partial abortion. you know the one when they suck the brain out of the head... that one
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Intact dilation and extraction. 01 02
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I don’t, to be honest honey. I feel that the theft of life is the real offence, and that the means by which that is carried out is relatively inconsequential by comparison.To respond to you SDP, you are right, a formation of cells is not a child, but it is still a life which is, each moment, maturing towards that stage. To say "a glob of cells is not a child" is akin to saying 'a sapling is not a tree'; and that is true, but then we have to ask ourselves, who decided that a tree has earned the right not to be cut down, above the rights of a sapling?To tell somebody that I've had an abortion is something I almost never do, and yet here I am on a2a having told God knows how many people, and I have done that in the awareness that I am inviting the possibility of hate filled posts because I don’t believe it's possible to fully contribute to an open and honest debate about abortion (or anything else) while omitting relevant life experience. I wouldn’t hold it against any woman who has had an abortion (even if I were of a mind to, I'm not in a position to, clearly) All I'm asking is that people get real about abortion and what it really means and what we have really done when we have chosen to undergo this 'procedure'.
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no no I mean like partial abortionThen you need to be more specific whan you make general statements like that. There is a HUGE difference between a partial birth abortion and one done within the 1st month of pregnancy.Starfish: You can be like SteveA all you like with the analogies. They don't fly.
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I think you may need to take Biology again! I'm nothing but Cells! Mitosis ring-a-bell?The smallest cell is the sperm cell, the biggest cell is the egg cell!(women)
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- "I'm nothing but Cells!"Exactly, we're all nothing but cells. My point is to query why some peoples cells are regarded as being of more worth than others. I think the reason is because some people look at the issue (as I did) without taking morality into consideration. And SDP; I'd have expected you to dissect the analogy and tell me why it "dont fly" - the SteveA jibe I wont even dignify, lol.