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Hi Guys!! This conversation implies that to 'be gay' is to 'have sex'. But there is more to 'being gay' than just 'doing it'. In fact - many gay males don't have sex at all. [I know - I'm one of them] Homosexuality is [for the most part] an emotional 'thing' - not a physical 'thing'. [Or at least it ought to be] I doubt that our four-legged same sex friends who sometimes have sex - love each other and/or care about each other. True - some humans [regardless of orientation] respond to other humans in a very animal-like way when it comes to sex. But I say that is wrong. I believe that for a human to have sex with another human for the sake of having sex [devoid of any emotional bond] is an abuse of a fellow human being. GREAT BIG HUGCraig!!

that's a nice sentiment Craig. And I would tend to agree that being fully homosexual has more to do with the emotional contact than purely sexual contact.That said, I tend to veiw sex a bit like an itch... sometimes you can scratch your own and other times you get a friend to do it

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousBut what have morals got to do with it? Exactly! That was my point...kind of. There are two debates, the scientific one and the moral one.The article was great and certainly addresses it from a scientific, nature vs. nurture if you will, standpoint. But you can't extrapolate from that to the moral argument (which I was not participating in.)But maybe my even bringing it up confused the two on the thread.Sorry...

morals are nothing but subjective and by that nature can bare no argument for or against.Science, on the other hand, can eventually reach some pretty definate conclusions.So, to argue that homosexuality is imoral is purely a judement call. What we can prove though is that's it's natural.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedSo, to argue that homosexuality is imoral is purely a judement call. What we can prove though is that's it's natural. I just want to clarify that, despite the fact that you are responding to my post, I was in no way doing this.I ain't going there!

What we can prove though is that's it's natural. My question though is what is the purpose? (besides simple gratification)

that's coolno prob.

Originally Posted By: sdpMy question though is what is the purpose? (besides simple gratification) if we look at bonobo apes for instance, their omni-sexual behaviour is mostly about their social order.Hell, I bear will stratch his back against a tree beyond the point of solving an itch, just because it feels nice... what's the purpose of that?

I think this was already answered..."In bonobos for instance, strict heterosexual individuals would not be able to make friends in the flock and thus never be able to breed."

That answer seems to be specific to bonobos (and perhaps some other speciecs) but not one in the general sense.

Well eating meat isn't a general trait in the animal kingdom, nor is climbing trees. But we don't sit around wondering why those animals are trying to be different.

I love eating meat and climbing trees... never touched a pecker other than my own though (what's the purpose of that?!)

I guess I'm not going to try and understand what you want to say (because it really wasn't an answer in the first place?).

Right then.

it seems sdp has a very purpose driven life... not a wasted word, not a wasted step and certainly not a wasted sperm.

I wasn't trying to dis you and I do know what you are trying to say, but it's still not an answer to the question.

I'm not trying to be an asshole.. I would just like to understand in the global scheme of things.. "Why does nature have/create homosexuality?"The specific example/explanation of Bonobos certainly doesn't apply to humans and/or many other species.

I do understand you have a cetain distain for homosexuality and, maybe there is no good answer to your question. But when you look at it, animals ans humans do a lot of stuff that has no specific biological purpose.why gay?why art?why exploration?why rhetoric?why not?

I think at this stage it would just be speculation, when we know so little about how sexual and romantic attraction arises biologically. If it is genetic, it is possible for a recessive gene that reduces fertility if two copies are held, to nevertheless hold its own in a population if a single copy confers an advantage. (This is the case, I believe, with the sickle-cell anaemia gene.)It has also been suggested that gay members convey some type of survival advantage to the tribe as a whole.There is also the theory that the mechanism of attraction is by its nature subject to variability in its expression. But we know nothing about it, so we can't tell.

And isn't it human to question "Why?"It's just that studies like this that show homosexuality occuring in nature, seem to imply/say "Well you better like it and accept it because it's natural". Again, what is the purpose of it. Why do I have to like it?Don't paint me as a gay-hater like Steve. I had a gay classmate (that I knew of) in college... I didn't shun him. Maybe the coworker in the office next door is gay. He isn't married, no GF. I don't know. I don't care. We had an older lesbian couple working here. One is still here now. Nice lady. I've been to parties at her house. What others do in their lifes doesn't bug me in the least.