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what are you my twin? lol. thank you. your name does you justice

> they did NOT "fuck up in a big, bad, ugly, horrendous way"

You're right, it's not like their child DIED or anything...

> They made a mistake; doesn't that simply make them human beings?

Sure, they're human beings. But that's one hell of a mistake, and the point people are trying to make is that this tragedy could've been prevented (and it wouldn't have been hard to prevent it, either)

> It was a horrible accident of a type that happens occasionally

Yes, it does happen, but it shouldn't

> These parents and surely the teen brother will blame themselves for ever for this tragedy

And they should

I think Abi hit the nail on the head.She (nor the parents) need folks sitting around talking about how horrible anyone is. This doesn't help anyone. There's time for that later. I'm not disagreeing with anything anyone is saying (although I believe that it is very appropriate for the parents to ask the 17-18 year old brother to watch the child), I'm just saying that this type of speculation and criticism has it's time and place. Right now Abi and her friends need support and comfort and to be made to feel like they will get through this. Seriously, you guys aren't saying anything this couple and their teenage son aren't telling themselves. Maybe what they really need is a different message to go along with the message in responsibility that should come WHEN THEY'RE READY FOR IT. If they hear it now, it's gonna be filed under more reasons for more unhealthy guilt and inability to recover from this tragedy. If it's done thoughtfully...down the road...appropriate place and time...it will then AND ONLY THEN serve to prevent further tragedies like this.Abi, I'm sorry for you and this family. And my heart particularly breaks for that young boy who was irresponsible in a way that for most kids might mean lost privileges or a traffic ticket, but for him cost him his little sister. My prayers are with you all.

Anyone one else just wish this thread would die?

Or how about we kill this one and start a new one that is completely reserved for encouragement for Abi, which is what this one should have been.

Well since this thread has died a slow and painful death, does anybody mind if I hijack it?

you guys are so incredibly sweet. thanks alot. I'll know who to come to next time for help. *there's a whole lot of sarcasm in this statement.*and thanks Damien, I've been trying to console the brother all week now. I saw him visit our church on Tuesday and his eyes were like blodshot and I feel so bad. but the funeral is tomorrow, or rather later on today in the Bronx. I really don't want to go, don't think I can handle it. But I want to pay my respects. so thanks again

I really don't want to go, don't think I can handle itIf you even care, here's my input on that:Go to the funeral. If this hits you anywhere near as bad as it hit me, you'll regret NOT going to the funeral. Trust me.

agreed

I finished a post with "Trust me" ... wow. A sure sign that I'm kinda fucked up at the moment

There's no reason why you shouldn't be trusted on something you know about.

I just thought it was weird of me to say that... I would never ask anyone to trust me under normal conditions

Abi. I have been trying to send you a PM for a really really long time regarding this.. Since I feel this thread has gone to shit because some pathetic fucks can't hold their tongue when someone is grieving and comes to look for encouragement and support. I just want to give you my deepest deepest sympathy. That is incredibly tragic.. and i don't know how I would react if I was in the situation you were in.You are a strong and a brave young woman.. and I know that you will find strength in knowing that that young child is now in god's hands.. and truly is in a better place.God Bless you Abi

because some pathetic fucksIs it impossible for you to even mention me without using the word fuck in some way? I'd say that's a bit worrying

thanks steph, I went to the funeral friday and they turned a mourning into a celebration. she was such and adorable little girl and she influenced so many people's lives. over 1,000 people came to her funeral. from her school, churches that she went to minister at, etc. she definately did alot with her life and probably touched more people in her 10 years of life than most people will in their entire lifetime. the testimonies people were giving were so encouraging and enlightening. I know for a fact she's in a much better place. and my pastor gave a good word about her today too. so thanks again =)

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Thats good that they turned it into a celebration. And to stillsearching. WHY MUST EVERYTHING BE ABOUT YOU!??!?!

When you speak rationally...from your experience...it has value to us all.Do that more often, okay?

I'm really glad you went.One thing I can tell you from my experience...at this time when you're probably doing a lot of care-taking of other people, don't forget to take care of yourself as well.

And to stillsearching. WHY MUST EVERYTHING BE ABOUT YOU!??!?! Because you keep referring to me and insulting me every chance you get. I'm just asking why you can't refer to me without using the word fuck (and granted, you just did, so good job on that, must've been hard for you).> When you speak rationally...from your experience...it has value to us all. Do that more often, okay?I'm trying