Proof God Exists

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Originally Posted By: cooldawg2

Touché.

However, offense has two different spellings, both being correct.

I didn't know that Canada has a different spelling for accurate and offense.

So neither of us are wrong, I apologize.

I suggest we end this whole discussion. I have a bad feeling about it.

The Canadians have been making unwarranted and ill-advised modifications to the English language for some time now. I don't know why, and I don't like it. Perhaps they're jealous that we have the most devout population in the Western world, or the loveliest women.

You're joking...right?

Originally Posted By: Rad Originally Posted By: HClPerhaps they were referring to the mechanical device rather than a water source? Having anticipated the automobile suspension millennia ago would indeed be impressive. No, he specifically said river & rain yes, but NO SPRINGS could be seen! Sorry, I was thinking of God the watchmaker, and the argument for intelligent design. I stand corrected.

you either believe that all assumptions that are true indicate devine influence or that our antient brethern were morons.

Originally Posted By: RadLTTA, maybe? I don't think so.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfYou can't prove there's no such thing as an invisible pink unicorn in the world. But common sense and a lack of evidence more than justifies your lack of belief in such a thing. Only if one is arrogant enough to assume that human beings are capable of detecting and understanding all there is to see and know in the universe.Atheists (and I know you don't claim to be one) are often going on about being open-minded while continually demonstrating how closed theirs actually are. Thor, do you have the slightest doubt about your religious beliefs?

I think that's an fair question.

Im not frustrated at all.I just find it amusing how the majority of the christians on this board stay AWAY from this thread while the non believers are the ones causing drama drama draaaaaaama.

Quote:The Canadians have been making unwarranted and ill-advised modifications to the English language for some time now. I don't know why, and I don't like it. Perhaps they're jealous that we have the most devout population in the Western world, or the loveliest women. Lmao. thats hilarious. You should check the spelling in other "english language" countries..A teacher told me a few years ago that the US took the U out of many words because it cost more than most letters to type or "display" in the paper ... so they just decided to take it out. Something like that. Not sure how true it is.I've also heard you can blame webster.. thats why it's reffered to as "american english". I don't consider myself american.. I consider myself Canadian. Check this out. Are you saying that me and ashley arent lovely? I think we are looking damn fine!

You need to re read what I said. Unless you can't comprehend "canadian english"It's obvious I'm Christian.. you'd have to be mentally challenged not to see that. Which you obviously arent

Originally Posted By: HClThe Canadians have been making unwarranted and ill-advised modifications to the English language for some time now. I don't know why, and I don't like it. Perhaps they're jealous that we have the most devout population in the Western world, or the loveliest women. laugh my ass offwhere are you from neighbour and what colour is the sky there?

You're the one who seems to be intentionally centering me out. Im the one trying to stop the BS here. You're the one who caused a member to leave.

Quote:I just find it amusing how the majority of the christians on this board stay AWAY from this thread while the non believers are the ones causing drama drama draaaaaaama.Mainly because it's a no-win situation. In case you have forgotten Christianity, Jesus, God etc have been discussed on here numerous times and every single time Christians and believers have been chewed out until there was nothing left. This site is not fond of us or our beliefs. So really what is the point of defending something that will NEVER be accepted let alone tolerated by the majority of people on here? Last time I tried a "cooldawg" attempt I was crushed for a while till the point I had to remind myself. But I was naive then. It's common sense really. It's like an evolutionist going to a church saying they discovered a new "transitional form". How far will he get? Not very far at all.

Sometimes I think you are wise beyond your years Abi.

Are you trying to say that cooldawg wasn't chewing out others beliefs? This isn't just directed at you but anyone who is trying to make it seem like Christians are the only ones who are being "chewed out." As it has been said before, he said he had proof the Christian God existed. Then he went on to say that Atheists should just believe in God because their beliefs are, essentially, useless. In this, he disregarded all religions other than Christianity, by saying they should just believe in Christianity and made no mention of any other religions. He was chewing out every belief other than Christianity. This is what cooldawg did, which was doing wrong to non-believers (of Christianity). It merely branched off when some people, (Christian) believers or not, started defending him from others (including Christians) "attacks." Because they explained why they had the reaction they did, the defenders, they felt that they were being "attacked" as well. So it branched.In addition to this, he was not willing to "trust" a poster merely because of how he spelled a word, which showed his character in worse light, causing it to seem even more like he was trying to "attack" non-believers of Christianity. He also decided to choose three religions as being "valid," while disregarding other highly practiced religions like Buddhism, to name one. Personally, I think there is nothing wrong with discussions such as these. They are the best way to gain understanding of other views and one's own views. It also teaches one to defend their beliefs (since most things worth discussing deal with belief of what's true) using supporting evidence. It strengthens one's personal beliefs, whether they may have slightly changed or not, and promotes understanding. I commend Thor for standing up for his beliefs. The same cannot entirely be said for cooldawg who, when confronted with things that opposed his beliefs, stayed close-minded and left without trying to understand the views of the other side. Hopefully, he has learned that he needs to be ready to defend his beliefs should they be confronted, because if one isn't willing to defend his beliefs ever, he really needs to look deep down and see if he really believes in them. Is it because he doesn't think he'll be able to defend them since they are flawed, or does he think that he is absolutely right and there is no reason to question his beliefs? Maybe something different? I myself have been in discussions where I was essentially the only one trying to stick up for my ideas (Hunting). While I know that my arguments were poor (and my grammar horrible) when I wrote them, it gave me experience and allowed me to examine my own beliefs more closely. Discussing topics such as this, assuming both parties don't get overemotional, can only do good. It gives understanding, stimulates the mind, and allows one to refine his beliefs and believe in them that much more.

Quote:It's sad how the non believers are chewing us believers out on every thread about Christianity and religion. It's like our beliefs aren't accepted very well. I mean we the believers are in no way doing anything wrong to the non believers on this site. Like some of us have said, it's a no win situation. I'll say this on my own behalf: it's fine to me for you to believe in whatever you want to believe in. Cooldawg was just fine in the beginning and I left it alone. It's when he made the silly mistake to go to the deep end and chose his words poorly. Nothing wrong with sharing what you love, but trying to convert people when they don't want to is something I think we can ALL agree on. There are those who don't want to jump to the conclusion that there must be a God (or at least, the Christian God). And there are those who don't want to jump to the conclusion that there isn't a (Christian) God.As Abi said, it's a no win situation, so let's all eat chocolate! When we all eat chocolate, everyone wins!And for the record, I wasn't make fun of how he looks. He does resemble a bit of Justin Berfield and there's nothing wrong with that. The guy is cute!  Originally Posted By: StephieJI just find it amusing how the majority of the christians on this board stay AWAY from this thread while the non believers are the ones causing drama drama draaaaaaama. That has got to be the biggest contradiction I've ever seen! ______ADDED:Cider: You are wise beyond your years as well! Well said.

In the U.S., Christians are in the great majority, and a large percentage of them consider themselves devout, and they truly are, basted on stated beliefs and church attendance.It is a fundamental precept of Christianity to spread the gospel ("the good news") in order to save the people with incorrect beliefs from an eternity of torment and suffering. Jesus will save you from that fate if and only you accept Him, in your mind, as his savior. You don't, eternal torment. You do, streets paved with gold, etc. But anyway, Jesus told Christians to spread the word.It is also a belief of Christians that their religion is right and other religions and religious beliefs are wrong.Therefore, it is okay for a Christian to tell others that, if they don't agree with his Christian beliefs that, not only are they wrong, but God will condemn them to an eternity of suffering. However, it is not okay for an non-believer to tell a Christian he is wrong (even if she presents absolutely no evidence to justify her beliefs, beyond discussions with her father).In summary, if an agnostic says to a Christian, "as far as I can see you are wrong, you haven't shown good evidence, much less proof, for your beliefs, so I don't believe you", the agnostic is persecuting the Christian. If a Christian says, "You are wrong and you will suffer eternal torment in the fires of hell", he is not persecuting the agnostic; he is only trying to save him.Now back to our regularly-scheduled video games.

Originally Posted By: StephieJIm not frustrated at all.I just find it amusing how the majority of the christians on this board stay AWAY from this thread while the non believers are the ones causing drama drama draaaaaaama. I don't see that being true. Can you support that assertion?I have taken the liberty of seeing who posted on this thread, and how many posts each person made. I have the impression that at least as many Christians posted as non-Christians. Perhaps you can sort out each poster's beliefs. Code:
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [total]

1. cooldawg2 15 7 9 0 0 31

2. StephieJ 2 0 10 12 7 31

3. Virtual_Star 10 8 4 4 2 28

4. Rad 7 10 9 14 3 43

5. Infinite 1 0 0 0 0 1

6. howsitgoing 1 0 0 0 0 1

7. animefreak135 3 3 0 0 0 6

8. thor 1 5 4 12 0 22

9. DxLISHxISx_43 1 0 0 0 0 1

10. blackmanoncampus 1 0 0 0 0 1

11. NtroducingMyself 1 0 1 0 0 2

12. kmrobins 2 0 0 0 0 2

13. unsupervised 3 1 6 2 2 14

14. damien 1 0 0 4 0 5

15. Ineligible 2 0 0 1 0 3

16. JapanFan14 2 0 7 4 1 14

17. sdp 1 2 0 1 0 4

18. Thoughtful 2 3 0 0 0 5

19. Cider -- 2 3 2 0 7

20. albeitmyself -- 3 2 0 0 5

21. HCl -- 3 0 1 6 10

22. RainNightBlue -- 1 0 0 0 1

23. bobalicious -- 1 0 1 2 4

24. ashley69 -- 1 0 1 0 2

25. A.W. -- -- -- 3 0 3
    I can't guarantee no errors, but I think that's pretty close.Note that people are listed in the order of their initial post, and only up to and including the post to which this post replies.

Originally Posted By: StephieJI have personal reasons that proves to me that god exists.Okay, but since this thread is a discussion/debate about the existence of God, that does nothing to advance the discourse. Originally Posted By: StephieJThere are people here who will argue that its not true.. im not getting into it..LOL, okay then. Originally Posted By: StephieJamusing? You laugh at christians who would like to discuss their faith??cooldawg2 didn't come to deiscuss his faith. As a beginner Christian, he came to a board on a secular discussion site and said he was going to prove the existence of God. He did not start with the premise of discussing his faith; he began by in effect saying, if you don't agree with me, you're just not paying attention. Originally Posted By: StephieJHe may have taken it a bit too far.. what's something you feel passionate about? Something you truly care about? what would you do if people were basically tearing it apart and laughing at you.. THEN making fun of the way you look? Originally Posted By: StephieJHe may have taken it a bit too far.. what's something you feel passionate about? Something you truly care about? what would you do if people were basically tearing it apart and laughing at you.. THEN making fun of the way you look? Perhaps he should just not have been paid attention to?I don't know that his looks were made fun of, but I don't see why they were mentioned or what they have to do with the thread. I think the person who first mentioned it was thinking more in terms of the way the show character thinks. Originally Posted By: Virtual_StarI have to admit though, the title of this thread is false advertising! But I'm not surprised. Originally Posted By: cooldawg2It makes a good bait, haha. I figured most people would have the urge to take a look. LOL @ bait-and-switch. Originally Posted By: StephieJPolitics.. religion.. its ALWAYS a touchy subject.. but I feel as though whenever we discuss it.. it always goes waaaayy too far because no one will step up and say "lets agree to disagree"If someone says they have faith in the supernatural, and they do it on a board whose purpose is discussion and debate, then they need to back up their assertion. The can post on a board oriented toward their faith, where they will find support and agreement.If they choose to post here, they're going to get some push-back, or the purpose of this board is not served. Originally Posted By: StephieJI wasn't going to get involved either until i saw there was 82 posts in 1 day. crazyAnd that helped the situation...how? Originally Posted By: StephieJdid u know how to multiply and divide when you were learning to add and subtract??No, but while I was learning the rudiments of addition, I wouldn't claim to have proven Euler's identity wrong. Originally Posted By: StephieJWhen I'm learning about the bible.. when I'm discussing things with my dad.. I don't want to hear the negative things about there being no god.. I love hearing the positive.. it fascinates meIf you discussed politics with someone of a particular party, you probably wouldn't hear many good things about people whose political beliefs differed with his. I find political faith and religious faith to have much in common.When you spend a lot of time exclusively with people who believe as you do, you and the rest of the group have your beliefs reinforced and deepened, no matter what the beliefs are. They can be political, religious, or whether a particular individual is guilty of a crime (it is an issue for juries).

Originally Posted By: HCl Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfYou can't prove there's no such thing as an invisible pink unicorn in the world. But common sense and a lack of evidence more than justifies your lack of belief in such a thing. Only if one is arrogant enough to assume that human beings are capable of detecting and understanding all there is to see and know in the universe.Atheists (and I know you don't claim to be one) are often going on about being open-minded while continually demonstrating how closed theirs actually are. Thor, do you have the slightest doubt about your religious beliefs? Of course. Without doubt there would be no need for faith. As Christians we are always searching, learning, growing...it's a journey, not a destination. But there are certainly some things I do know for certain.As for the springs at the bottom of the ocean, no, it's not a "slam-dunk"...but as I said, it's pretty darn close.