you have wayyyy too much time on your hands.
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Proof God Exists
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Originally Posted By: thor
Originally Posted By: HCl
Originally Posted By: thor
Originally Posted By: albeitmyself
You can't prove there's no such thing as an invisible pink unicorn in the world. But common sense and a lack of evidence more than justifies your lack of belief in such a thing.
Only if one is arrogant enough to assume that human beings are capable of detecting and understanding all there is to see and know in the universe.
Atheists (and I know you don't claim to be one) are often going on about being open-minded while continually demonstrating how closed theirs actually are.
Thor, do you have the slightest doubt about your religious beliefs?
Of course. Without doubt there would be no need for faith. As Christians we are always searching, learning, growing...it's a journey, not a destination. But there are certainly some things I do know for certain.
As for the springs at the bottom of the ocean, no, it's not a "slam-dunk"...but as I said, it's pretty darn close.
If that is the type of evidence that underpins your faith...well, okay then.
Can you elaborate on your doubts?
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Originally Posted By: StephieJyou have wayyyy too much time on your hands. You've made over 30 posts to this thread, so you must have a bit of spare time yourself. But, so what? Posting here is probably less of a waste of time than watching TV.
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what are the columns?
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Ahhhh.. I have 99 posts per page so it didn't make sense.. I only show 3 pages at this point.Total posts to show on one page when viewing a post in flat mode: 99 (default is 50)
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thanks damienand this is why I tried to stay away from this thread or help bring some LOTR to it because..... kids say the darndest things.
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Originally Posted By: sdpwhat are the columns? Columns 1 to 5 are the number of posts per page in this thread, from the start of the thread until and including the post that the post in question replies to (the table post replies to StephieJ's post that claims that Christians on the board staying away from this thread).I'm guessing that at least close to half of the posters are Christian.I have noticed that, while the number of U.S. residents who claim to believe in God is the the great majority, the number of people who claim to be atheist or agnostic on Internet forums appears to be a solid majority (where there is a place for it on their profile). I don't know if that means that most Americans who use the Internet are non-believers, or whether it's and issue of age demographics, and younger people tend to be less religious than their elders.Is it possible that the U.S. is moving in the direction of Western Europe in terms of religious belief, or is it just an Internet illusion?
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here's a passing thought with regard to the question of tollerance of religious views...sure, we of the agnostic/athiest croud have no fear in arguing but I think history will show we are the more tollerant. After all, the a/a croud is not known for it's warring ways.Muslems kill Jews kill Christians kill Muslems and so forth. Hell, Christians kill Christians and Muslems kill Muslems etc etc.If we are to critasisze the critasim of the the a/a's, how can we ignor the Islamic bashing that has occured on this board at the hands of the Christains. As I seem to remember, it was us non-believers who came to the Muslem's defence in the sence of fairness.I don't know, sounds like we are on average a little more open and accepting that people who are pinned down to a single belief system, does it not?just pondering, as I often do.
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From what statistics I've seen, the U.S. is moving in the direction of Western Europe in terms of religious belief. I'm guessing the fact that there are so many people on the Internet with agnostic/atheistic beliefs is due to both, as you said, age demographics and possibly (this is a maybe) the wealth demographics as well. I'm not entirely sure on the validity of less wealthy people tending to be more religious. Maybe just more rural as opposed to less wealthy.Also, thanks V_S. Growing up in a good environment like I did tends to allow for that.
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Actually I'm not unhappy. At least not about that.
And I'm more of an 80s girl :scream_cat:
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Originally Posted By: HCl Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: HCl Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: albeitmyselfYou can't prove there's no such thing as an invisible pink unicorn in the world. But common sense and a lack of evidence more than justifies your lack of belief in such a thing. Only if one is arrogant enough to assume that human beings are capable of detecting and understanding all there is to see and know in the universe.Atheists (and I know you don't claim to be one) are often going on about being open-minded while continually demonstrating how closed theirs actually are. Thor, do you have the slightest doubt about your religious beliefs? Of course. Without doubt there would be no need for faith. As Christians we are always searching, learning, growing...it's a journey, not a destination. But there are certainly some things I do know for certain.As for the springs at the bottom of the ocean, no, it's not a "slam-dunk"...but as I said, it's pretty darn close. If that is the type of evidence that underpins your faith...well, okay then.Can you elaborate on your doubts? Evidence has nothing to do with faith...by the time evidence is on the scene, faith is long gone. Faith, to keep this short, is the belief that evidence is on its way and we just have to wait for it.As for my personal doubts, they're not germaine to this thread and are nobody elses business but mine. Perhaps start another thread on the subject in general, if you really must discuss the subject...but be prepared for the fallout.
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Quote:Evidence has nothing to do with faithSo then anything goes? So then any religious belief is as good as any other?Does "what's in one's best interest" have anything to do with it? For instance, if I believe that my faith gives me eternal life in paradise, does that make me tend to believe in the rectitude of my faith? I've noticed that that is clearly the case in political belief systems.There's an old saying that goes something like: It's difficult to disabuse a person of a particular belief if his livlihood depends on that belief.
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while we're on the topic of religion. What is Scientology?
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I dont see signatures
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Scientology is a dangerous cult that ruins lives, seperates families and commited the largest infiltration in history of the US government. People like to make jokes about it and Tom Cruise but it really isn't a laughing matter.For real information you should go to http://www.xenu.net
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Scientology is a religion, like Christianity. The difference is that, if you publicly criticize Scientology, the church will sue you. Wkipedia: Scientology
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Originally Posted By: HClScientology is a religion, like Christianity. The difference is that, if you publicly criticize Scientology, the church will sue you.damn thos stupis scientologists!oh, excuse me for a moment... there was just an unexpected knock at the door
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Originally Posted By: HCl Quote:Evidence has nothing to do with faithSo then anything goes? So then any religious belief is as good as any other?LOL! No...one is not as good as another. Delve into them and their core beliefs and see for yourself...I recommend reading the individual books that they are based on. Of course there is no guarantee on choosing the right one. One day the "evidence" will show up and it will be quite apparent which one is the right one. Choose wisely.
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Quote:One day the "evidence" will show up and it will be quite apparent which one is the right one.You say that as if it's a proven fact, but it's merely a faith-based assertion.If you read about various faiths, you will find that their underpinnings are also based on faith. There's not proof to be found. As you search, you will continue to go in a circle. That applies to Christianity as much as any other faith. People cling tightly to their faith, whether it's Sceintology, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, polygamous churches, cults, etc. Adherents of each faith think that it's manifestly evident that their faith is correct.It's telling that, when someone thinks they've disproven something that runs counter to their faith (such as evolution versus fundamentalist Christianity), that their faith is somehow proven. However, the existence or non-existence of evolutionary biology, geology, and planetary science as we know them do absolutely nothing to prove the tenets of fundamentalist Christianity, any more than the lack of a cat proves the presence of a mouse.It must be very comforting to have all the answers laid out before you, not to have to fret over matters such as death and ethics. There's no reason to explore the origins of life, since the question has already been answered: a miracle happened, end of story.Or maybe it's not so pleasant. It seems rather intellectually sterile. It's also a bit arrogant, as a fallible human, reading the writings of other fallible human, to accept what is written without question.The day I stop questioning is the day I am, for any useful intents and purposes, dead.
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Originally Posted By: HCl
The day I stop questioning is the day I am, for any useful intents and purposes, dead.
My sentiments exactly.