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Originally Posted By: unsupervisedah, so Islam is a malicious political movement, bent on indoctrination. While Christianity is a beautiful system of belief that would not dirty it's hands with either politics nor evangelism. Since you seem determined to change the subject of the thread, why don't you list someplace in the world where Christians are (not were) attempted to convert others by threat, through use of suicide bombers (including children) and other destructive forms of force. Be specific.

Iraq and Afghanistanwhat's that you say? These are not Christian soldiers on a crusade?Well, neither do the violent factions of Islam wish to convert infidels nor do they represent the vast majority of Muslims. They are just a bunch of assholes, trying to gain political power through intimidation. If you buy into the fact that they actually represent Islam, then you have succumbed to their will. YOU have been converted.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedIraq and Afghanistanwhat's that you say? These are not Christian soldiers on a crusade?Well, neither do the violent factions of Islam wish to convert infidels nor do they represent the vast majority of Muslims. They are just a bunch of assholes, trying to gain political power through intimidation. If you buy into the fact that they actually represent Islam, then you have succumbed to their will. YOU have been converted. LOL! I don't see a Christian flag or emblem flying overhead in Afghanistan or Iraq...do you imagine you can see one? Christians on Crusade??? Chance must have rolled you a mighty big fattie for you to swallow that. No, my friend...it is YOU who have been converted.The Christian religion in the past was used by men professing to speak for God...not by religious belief itself. In those days, very few folks ever read a Bible as it was relatively unavailable to them. Both the Koran and Bible ARE readily available and read today...and Chrisianity cannot ever again be used in such a manner since people now know better; they can read for themselves what is in the Bible. Muslims, too, can read what's in the Koran...and it calls for death and destruction. That's the difference. So, while conversion may or may not be at the heart of what is happening today...the Muslim religion is the fuel for the fire in a way it never was for Christianity, and never can be.How do you think Muslims, at the time of the Crusades, would have responded to Christians setting up a church on a field of battle where Muslims had been slaughtered. According to you, they should have no qualms about it. You are sometimes a rediculous man.

sorry, too subtle?your assertions that Islam is defined by the violent actions of the minority is as sensible as describing US troops as crusaders. Get it?So, let me see if I have this straight. The violence has left Christianity but has entered Islam for the very same reason, ie a better and more broad understanding of the texts.You are certainly more ridiculous than I.Anyway, while you allow the Taliban to define Islam in your eyes, I shall allow Hutaree to define Christianity in mine. Is that fair (and current) enough for you?

Two blocks away is not "a few yards". Calling it so appears to be a deliberate deceit.A prayer room is not a mosque, but it does appear from the story in Musalman Times (from people who would know the difference) that it will contain a mosque.It will not be opening on September 11 of next year. How could it? They are going to build a 13-storey building. You can't do that in fourteen months. The Musalman Times report says they expect to open in 2013; the CNN report says they are still raising money and expect it will be 3-5 years. However, according to the Huffington Post story, "The Muslim organizations plan to announce the groundbreaking [my emphasis] later this year, possibly to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the attacks, Khan [the executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement] said. It could take up to three years to build the Cordoba House; the groups currently have no funds for the project but plan to start raising money, she said." I presume that is where the story comes from, but note that "later this year" would be the 9th anniversary, not the 10th. It would be, I think, an insensitive date; but American Muslims see the 9/11 attack as an attack on Muslims also: 300 of the victims, they say, were Muslim.It's rather sickening when people say that in the name of personal freedom we must stop people worshipping in ways we don't like.

Originally Posted By: Ineligible

It's rather sickening when people say that in the name of personal freedom we must stop people worshipping in ways we don't like.

I would agree...if that's what was happening here. It's not. What's happening here is a complete lack of respect for the 3,000 that died, for the circumstances under which they died, and for the survivors and family/friends of those who died.

Nice try.

Whether something like that shows lack of respect is a matter of opinion. You are entitled to yours, but others are equally entitled to disagree.

I'm sure that in this regard you must find churches on Indian reserves to be equally, if not more distasteful.

Originally Posted By: unsupervised

I'm sure that in this regard you must find churches on Indian reserves to be equally, if not more distasteful.

Not so much churches as, say, Federal government buildings perhaps.

There does come a point, somewhere down the line, where such a thing becomes more acceptable. Wounds of all types heal over time. But putting up a Muslim building and mosque right next to where the Twin Towers were such a short time after the event is not only disprespectful...it's almost mocking those who died and their families.

ok, what's the most sensible no-go zone?within 10 blocks after 10 years?not within 2 blocks until 20 years?or basically is it just a case that the sandniggers can do nothing right?

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedok, what's the most sensible no-go zone?within 10 blocks after 10 years?not within 2 blocks until 20 years?Depends. A lot of blacks still think whites owe them something over the issue of slavery even when no blacks that were slaves are still alive. This situation involves something many would consider to be worse than slavery. It involves death. With that in mind, I'd say more than one generation needs to pass...but that's just a guess.

But you haven't specified the distance which is to be considered a Muslim no-worship zone during that generation.