The world is changing...

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OMFGhow dare they invade our shoresout breed usout fight usand impose their religion upon the land as though it belongs herenext they'll have the poor, downtrodden, white christians living on reserves with only casinos to support them!

With only their president and his cronies making any money off those casinos.

hopefully, they'll set up residential schools to teach the little savage christan heathens about the real god

You folks think to much about permanence, your time here is limited along with your inventions and contrivances. We are all replaced and nothing will last. Hows that for the big picture.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedhopefully, they'll set up residential schools to teach the little savage christan heathens about the real god There better be rampant abuse and molestation in those schools or it doesn't count.

oh, I thought the big picture was that christians weren't fucking enough

Doesn't matter Alla will send a plague to rid the world of them like Jesus did with the homosexuals.

Take religeon out of the picture and the scenario is still the same. The world is in constant flux and we are in the decline.

Originally Posted By: sdp...and we are in the decline. I think people always like to think they are living in the time of the decline. I would say throughout history they people who actually thought they were living in the ascension of mankind are by far in the minority.

Originally Posted By: sdpTake religeon out of the picture and the scenario is still the same. The world is in constant flux and we are in the decline. religion should be out of the picture in the greater scheme of things. Yes, the world is defiantly in constant flux, geologically, sociologically, etc, etc.You may feel that you are in decline but I am not in decline

Bad guys rarely think they are the bad guys.Not saying that you are tho.

I always rooted for the bad guy. Hans Gruber, Darth Vader, the ndns in every western... and I always hated that bitch Goldilocks.

I think that I've already made my feelings clear about Goldilocks.

Yes, I'll agree with sdp too. And what's even worse, is that 60% of high school graduates, can't find China on a world map. CHINA!!!Alrighty then...I think I'll just sit back, and wait FOR China to be #1.sdp:I'll give you a high five for the "not giving a crap..." statement. It's hard to believe, with the spread of technology, and the internet, and everything else, that people still think that way, that there are still isolationists...maybe that's what we should do again....I wonder...Rad: high five for the "How does my view make the world..."post...just wanted to not forget that...bob:it's because most of america is too afraid to go along with change, and capitalism has been taken wayyyy to far [in my opin.], so i guess you could say i agree.overall...i'm glad you guys are valuing what i have to say here, not discounting me because I'm young...unlike others, not naming names...it really does make me happy, and i really appreciate it.

Originally Posted By: LuvMyCatsoverall...i'm glad you guys are valuing what i have to say here, not discounting me because I'm young...unlike others, not naming names...it really does make me happy, and i really appreciate it. I have no idea how old you are, but I can assume that I'm not that much older than you, if I'm at all older. Age means nothing, there are many old people who think they're wise but are actually childlike fools.

You may feel that you are in decline but I am not in decline I'm not sure what you are trying to say.All global powers rose, peaked, plateued, waned and declined. I don't know where the US stands on the scale. A plateau???

I don't have time to look into this as much as I would like, but I do have a few comments.

1. I checked some of the figures and nearly all the figures I checked seem to be wrong. The video says that in France the fertility rate is 1.8 children per family, but for Muslims (presumably, Muslims in France) it is 8.1. However in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_en_France the numbers (given per woman rather than per family) are 2 and 3.3 respectively [Jonathan Laurence et Justin Vaïsse, Intégrer l'Islam p.43, Odile Jacob, 2007, ISBN 9782738119001]. It is also noted there that the Muslim women are on average poorer, but over time in France their fertility rate decreases to match that of other French women [ http://dspace.nitle.org/bitstream/10090/4201/1/Gaines.pdf p. 18].

The video claims that in southern France there are more mosques than churches. I have not been able to find any exact numbers, but in France as a whole it is estimated there are approximately 100,000 churches [Magazine Maires de France de Juin 2008, quoted in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89glise_(%C3%A9difice)], while there are 2100 mosques [L'Annuaire musulman, édition 2008 Orientica], most just a garage or room.

The video claims that 50% of all new-borns in the Netherlands are Muslim and that in 15 years half the population of the Netherlands will be Muslim; but the Centraal Bureau voor de Statistiek gives the percentage of Muslims in the Netherlands in 2007 as 5.3% ["Ruim 850 duizend islamieten in Nederland", CBS Webmagazine, 24 oktober 2007, quoted in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Nederland ], and it estimates on present figures and trends that in 2050 (more than 40 years away) the percentage will be about 8% [ http://www.nidi.knaw.nl/en/output/demos/2007/demos-23-09-debeer.pdf/demos-23-09-debeer.pdf ].

Those are all the numbers I have checked, and they do not give a good picture of the veracity of the video.

2. The vague references to "research" about the need for certain fertility rates to support a culture, without any proper citations, do not impress. As others have pointed out, there are very many instances of cultures surviving a long period of population decline.

3. But I would go further and suggest that population is not the main determinant. Over the last century, the continents with the largest population growth have been Asia and Africa. Asia now contains more than 60% of the world's population. Europe and both Americas now account for only about a quarter of the world's population.

Yet what has been very evident over the last century has not been the Western cultures becoming more Asianised or Africanised, despite the greater number of people from those continents in Western nations. Instead, Western culture has been exported into Asia and Africa (much to the regret of some conservatives who see their own culture disappearing).

A lot of this has had to do with science and technology (including, of course, military technology). This does not develop automatically, but requires a culture open to new ideas, and this has not in fact been the norm. Science in the West only took off as a result of the reduction of respect for authority that came about as a result of printing, so it was easier to become an author, and therefore easier to dispute old authors.

It also required a culture of learning, and this appeared in the Renaissance - but where did it come from? The old history textbooks spoke of the flame of learning being kept alive in monasteries, and this is true to some degree; but the impetus for the Renaissance came from the libraries and scholarly culture of the Muslim Moorish scholars, discovered by the West as they re-occupied Spain.

In many cultures in the past, conservatives have become frightened by scientific development, and have sought to stop it, often successfully. This happened in the Muslim world; it also happened in China. The cultures became insular and fell behind. But keeping out the outside world became more and more difficult. This is still an issue for some Islamic fundamentalists; it is also an issue for some Christian fundamentalists.

4. I'm a bit surprised by suggestions that any Muslims in Europe are under Sharia law. For a different legal system to operate in a nation for some people, either the national government must have legislated for it, or they must have lost control (as has happened in parts of Pakistan). Though there has been some talk about it, I was not aware of any legislation for Sharia law in the West - perhaps I can be better informed.

5. I had to laugh at "Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message." A sword??? A weapon that has not been more than ceremonial for a hundred years? Where does your idea of Muslims come from, thor?

Originally Posted By: RadMaybe by then, they won't be as extreme as we've seen.That's the same kind of wishful thinking that allowed Hitler to start WWII. Quote:Religions don't seem to grow stronger over time, they tend to moderate. Bullshit.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousFor more than 50 years Christians have been trying to turn America into a Christian nation, something that is very backwards for a country that has so many different religions in it. Now the Christian fundamentalists are going ape-shit because they think Muslims are gonna do the same thing. For more than 50 years (more like 80) the liberal athiests in this country have been trying to bury the fact that this nation started out as a Christian nation...and have had some success, as we can see. Regardless, this Christian nation has always allowed any form of religion (or none at all) to be practiced...so long as you leave the rest of us to ours. Now the Muslims are trying to change that in every country they've "immigrated" to in sufficient numbers. That is the reality whether you choose to believe it or not.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14 Quote:The irony is that it's already a holy war, waged by the Muslims. How quickly folks forget what happend in France just a few years back. It was eventually uncovered that it was fueled by the Imams sent to France to proselytize young, impressionable folks to jihad. Look at the laws that are being passed in Europe concerning Muslims and Sharia law, too. The call to action for us is to do what is necessary to prevent that war from being carried to us in the same way it already has been in Europe. Closing the borders to Muslim immigration would be a start. Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message. You know... it's that kind of talk that starts raging wars that do NOTHING to hurt the selfish prejudice men who start them but is in all actuality a free pass to BLOODSHED of the innocent.BULLLLLLLL CRAAAAPPPPPPPP If I, too, lived in a bubble, I might think the same thing. Fortunately for my sense of reality, I stopped living in the bubble a long time ago.