Stabbing and Beheading on Greyhound

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WHAT THE FUCKING HELL!!!!I CANNOT believe they say that he DESERVED to be murdered?!?!?! THATS FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!!

Originally Posted By: HClDamien, the death of civilians in Iraq are not the only example I used. Step away from the debate for a second. You know what I mean. I've said it pretty clearly. People are dying in violent ways all over, every day. Or are you declaring the rough areas of New York, Los Angeles, Detroit, etc. as war zones, where you'd expect people to be killed? If you don't believe me, search the news.Step away from the dabate? You say that as if my post were irrational, or as if I were just arguing emotionally. It almost feels like you're just splitting hairs to keep a debate going. Yes, people are dying in violent ways all over, every day. But surely you are not asserting that a killing in the rough part of Detroit or LA is as random and "news worthy" as a kid being stabeed and beheaded on a public bus for no apparent reason. For the kid in Detroit who is killed - and his family - it might seem pretty random. But for the world at large, it's not. It happens every day. It's pretty simple HCL. Murders in large cities happen on a daily basis. Deaths in war zones happen on a daily basis. Stabbings and beheadings on a Greyhound bus do not happen on a daily basis. What about that is hard to understand? Originally Posted By: HCLI've noticed that different people who die in similar violent ways get different amounts of coverage, anything from a brief mention in the newspaper to days of coverage on the local news.Yeah, please tell us about all of the incidents of random decapitations that have happened in public in North America that have been denied coverage. I'm interested. Originally Posted By: HCLIt's an interesting question, why the visceral response to this guy's death, isn't it? I mean, this isn't then Solemn Mourning forum. It also isn't the Tell People How They Should Feel About Stuff forum.

Sometimes I hope those Westboro Baptist Church folks are just very dedicated trolls. This is not the worst thing they've done, by far. They usually show up at gay peoples' funerals to picket there, but it seems they're short on those.

Good call. I think in a sense they are like trolls. The more they get startled, "OH MY GOD" reactions, the more they will do what they do.

On what basis do you call them troll? You are criticizing a group's religious views and then brushing them off by calling them trolls. There are religious people who hate homosexuality and think it's an affront to God. You're claiming that this group doesn't really believe what it claims, presumably because there's on conflict in your own religion.What about abortion protesters, and the people who've chained themselves to clinic doors and assaulted clinic staff? Are their beliefs genuine?Are you implying that the protests at the funeral of homosexuals are organized by homosexual groups to try to garner sympathy?

No, I'm saying that you were taking the death-of-Iraqi-civilian thing and running with it, when you know (as I've explicitly mentioned) that I was talking about violent deaths in general. Quote:Yes, people are dying in violent ways all over, every day.Good, we agree. Quote:But surely you are not asserting that a killing in the rough part of Detroit or LA is as random and "news worthy" as a kid being stabeed and beheaded on a public bus for no apparent reason.No, but are you implying that there's a good reason behind the killings that regularly happen within families (yes, even white middle-class ones) and on streets? Often children are caught in gang crossfire and killed. Since they live in a rough area, their death is not as big a surprise. (It's a fact though that there are criminally insane and violent people who act out periodically and at random, but it's predictable that some number of them will go off every few years and kill someone.)But are they less worthy of mourning than the guy on the bus because their death wasn't spectacular enough?This is what I'm getting at. Of course the news will cover the weird stuff more than the routine stuff. What's more interesting are the reactions of people. Two of the posters on this threat seem to be greatly distressed by the bus murder; far more than then they would be over the death of a person caught in a crossfire on a street, or even hit by a truck and killed. The victim would be just as dead, and their family would be just as affected.Apparently the answer is that the death was close to home (i.e., in the same country), and particularly brutal. Frankly I think it has something to do with our fascination with gore, and how the media plays on it, but we're not going to do a deep analysis on that subject here. Quote:It also isn't the Tell People How They Should Feel About Stuff forum.Apparently it is. Some think that we are supposed to feel a certain way (viz, the way they feel) toward the victim, and they get upset if we don't.I'm interested in exploring why people feel the way they do.

Originally Posted By: HClOn what basis do you call them troll? You are criticizing a group's religious views and then brushing them off by calling them trolls. There are religious people who hate homosexuality and think it's an affront to God. You're claiming that this group doesn't really believe what it claims, presumably because there's on conflict in your own religion.What about abortion protesters, and the people who've chained themselves to clinic doors and assaulted clinic staff? Are their beliefs genuine?Are you implying that the protests at the funeral of homosexuals are organized by homosexual groups to try to garner sympathy? I am going to re-state, with more emphasis, something I said earlier. You are the lord-god-king-booboo of making crap up. It's like you just pulled all that crap out of your butt. I make a statement agreeing with someone that they sort of come across as trolls, and you wanna take me to task, making assumptions about my religious beliefs and my views on others' religious beliefs and whatnot.It is clear you are looking for things to argue with me about. That's pointless and I'm not playing.

It is clear you are looking for things to argue with me about. It's pretty obvious that "HCl" and his acidic personality lives for arguing.

Then tell me why you think they're trolls. There are all kinds of people protesting about all kinds of things all over the place, and I don't see that word come of very often. Why now?@ sdp, to quote damien: "pot, kettle, black"

So, what does HCI stand for anyway?

Sure thing "HCl"

Hydrochloric Acid.. Quite caustic... Can't you tell?

Well, maybe not the argumentative part (although we now all know you won't be mourning), but the caustic personality? LOLMaybe incisive and mordant. Lets' be mordant.

As if this group got past the border. They were supposed to stop them.Edit: http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local...ishColumbiaHome

The Westboro Baptist Church folks claim that some of their folks got through: 'Hated' group crosses border to picket funeral (CTV BC). As far as I can tell, they're not trolls. They've been around for a while.Let's hope more tolerant Christians make the effort to denounce that group, though the Recent history of the Southern Baptist Convention has not been a tolerant one (specifically toward Islam, Judaism, homosexuality, and political non-conservatives).

The murderer was just found not guilty by reason of insanity!He will be sent to an institution, without serving any jail time, and will be mentally evaluated every year. If and when he is deemed "sane" again, the murderer will be released.THATS FUCKEDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read that not only the defence, but also the prosecution, argued that he should be found insane. If someone is so insane that he has no moral control over his actions, it would be unfair to punish him, and the appropriate course, as here, is to keep him under secure treatment so long as he is a danger to the community, but not a day longer.There are bad things that happen that are no-one's fault. The system of justice should not be a system of blind revenge.

I was just thinking about this topic the other day and wondered if there had been a ruling yet.Though I can understand your outrage because what this guy did was just unthinkable. Though, at the same time it's pretty obvious the guy has severe mental issues. Hopefully he gets the help he needs, though it does concern me that in a few years he could be back on the streets again.

The thing is that i really think this is one of the WORST murders in canada.. compared to the karla/paul school girl murders and even the Black Donnelly massacre.

I know he is mental.. but sane or not.. he is a murderer. He should not be able to be free while Tim's parents will be mourning the loss of their son for the rest of their lives.

This system is fucked and I am very upset. I do not think he will be walking free too long once he is released. SOMEONE will find him.

he wasn't found to be "not guilty"He is, in fact, guilty without a shadow of a doubt. The verdict is "not criminally responsibly by reason of mental disorder"That's different and he didn't "get away with it" as Tim's family kepps saying.  Originally Posted By: CBC The psychiatrists testified that Li believed he was acting on orders from God when he attacked McLean, mutilating the young man before decapitating him and eating part of the body.The odds of Li walking out of hospital a free man next year or any time soon thereafter are next to zero. If you think about it, this is better. He is now incarcerated without a trial and all the legal loopholes that could set him free during a trial.