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Try reading those in a KJV Bible, and then leave them in context. You'll see many of them don't have the meaning you seem to be inclined to imply. BTW, your list looks like the kind of list somebody would come up with if they were looking to defend their own actions to somebody else against their personal feelings of guilt. People who don't feel guilty about something along these lines don't keep lists like that.

BTW, your list looks like the kind of list somebody would come up with if they were looking to defend their own actions to somebody else against their personal feelings of guilt. People who don't feel guilty about something along these lines don't keep lists like that.WOW! You truly are very judgmental aren't you?What I have found about you is the fact you are ready to jump someone and defend when there really isn't any defending needed. Sometimes you need to take what someone says (Like in the post in mention) and take it for what it's worth instead of almost attacking the person. I think the scriptures he listed as well as the quotes were very relevant to the “debate”. Just ... wow...

Go back and look at his list of favorite sayings/phrases. Then, ask yourself: What kind of person's list of favorite sayings looks like this?The truth shall set you free.All of you...including me.

actualy, I liekd them all, i actualy thought you should take this one to heart
"It is a great deal better to live a holy life than to talk about it. Lighthouses do not rings bells and fire off cannons to call attention to their shining- they just just."

Again wow...LOL Do you even realize you are judging or do you think you are justified in judging him because you THINK he has guilt? Who cares if someone has a list like that? I personally think it's great that these scriptures and quotes having meaning to him that he would keep them close. And who is even saying he carries a list like this, he could have simply did some research on the web. Plus I certainly don’t think because someone lists scriptures that that means he has guilt. Where do you even get the gull?Simply amazing.

Oh, I do take it to heart...very much so. Christ is the example...and although he was very nice about it, he did not tolerate sin either. There is a time to every purpose under heaven. A time to shine, and a time to ring bells and fire off cannons.

You simply don't get it.....

I get it...just more than the part you are interested in. Take a look at the bigger picture.

Problem is I am looking at the big picture, but I am starting to doubt that you are.I wonder if you pastor would read the boards, especially on threads like this how he's comment on your behavior. And I don't mean your view on homosexuality but more on how you are treating the people within the thread concerning your judgmental form.

Why do you assume that the King James version of the Bible is more accurate than any other? God didn't speak Old English. There are problems in translation that have been addressed in newer versions of the bible.If I were as wrapped around a religion as you are, I'd obsessively learn everything possible about it. I'd be studying ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. I wouldn't settle for some Middle-Ages guy's interpretations.I'm no expert in Christianity, but sadly I know more about it than a lot of Christians I've met. I've certainly read more of the scriptures than many have.> Oh, I do take it to heart...very much so. Christ is the example...and although he was very nice about it, he did not tolerate sin either.You seem to have yourself confused with Jesus. He is the one who judges, not you. He specifically told his followers not to judge each other. You don't seem to be interested in most of what he said. You don't seem to give a damn about the Sermon on the Mount. You use your religion as a cudgel to condemn other people.If that's an example of religion, then religion is an ugly thing. Is that your idea of spreading the gospel?> There is a time to every purpose under heaven. A time to shine, and a time to ring bells and fire off cannons.As a Christian you should really focus more on what Jesus said before you try to figure out what the Old Testament means.

Are you guys still at it? Why don't you take this fight outside, no one is going too win! Or in the alternative, start a New Thread on "Religion and Homosexuality"...

It's been done...and done...and done...

this is why i gave up on religion.

ba dum dum ..pshh

First of all... I'M A GIRL.>Try reading those in a KJV Bible, and then leave them in context. You'll see many of them don't have the meaning you seem to be inclined to imply.>BTW, your list looks like the kind of list somebody would come up with if they were looking to defend their own actions to somebody else against their personal feelings of guilt. People who don't feel guilty about something along these lines don't keep lists like that.Nice try... But you know that you aren't being very Christian, and you know those quotes were directed, for the most part, at you. Accusing me of being "guilty" doesn't make what you are doing any less wrong. And by the way... I got all of the quotes out of a religious book I was given for my birthday. I actually went and looked them all up for that post.> Christ is the example...and although he was very nice about it, he did not tolerate sin eitherYou aren't nice about it though. You can't just pick and choose things about Christ's example that are the easiest to follow, or that support what you are doing now. Besides, Christ ALWAYS thought people had a chance to be saved, and he was more concerned with them changing their lives for the better rather than putting them down and making them feel like shit for what sins they are currently comitting.>A time to shine, and a time to ring bells and fire off cannons.And you COMPLETELY missed what that saying was even about... It was saying that you should demonstrate Christ's example through what you DO, not teach it through what you say... Because saying stuff is a lot easier than doing it.What specific Christian religion are you, anyways?

First of all, nobody can make somebody else feel like shit for what they're doing unless they themself already know they shouldn't be doing it. All I've done is point to why they feel the way they do. Only they can change their actions...and only if they truly want to. Understand it's a person's actions that are the sin (not the person)...or that which makes them feel the way they do. It's just that some people listen and some people don't. It says over and over again in the Bible "He that hath an ear, let him hear". It would seem to imply that some just can't hear...or at least refuse to.

I completely agree that one needs to do as Christ did...that's the main thing. I don't understand why you think I don't understand that.

As far as my religion, it's Christian. If you're looking for some man-made label (otherwise known as a denomination) to attach to me, you won't find one. Other than saying that I'm most definitely Protestant, you'd best define me as non-denominational. As has been mentioned, Christians follow Christ...not some man-made idea that has the Bible for a basis (otherwise known as religion). There is a difference.

"although he was very nice about it" wow...did you even read your book? I'm an athiest, and i know about when he got really pissed off and started hucking tables over at that temple and crap liek that, theres other times to, he was not "very nice". and i think the only thign you should need to do to be a good...any religion, is to be hummble and accepting of others. not judgemental and hypocritical

Yes, there were a few times when Christ got angry. Some folks don't know that, or tend to not want to acknowledge it (for whatever reason). Christ had guts. Generally, Christ was very soft-spoken and non-confrontational...but as I have already mentioned, there is a time for everything, including getting angry. I agree that part of the walk of a good Christian is being humble and accepting of others...but please note that this does not mean we must be accepting of other people's behaviors. There is a difference. (Should we be accepting of murder, for example?) Non-hypocritical, yes...but there is a time for judgement as to what is right and what is wrong, to include right and wrong behaviors. Some people mistake this for judging the person...which, again, takes us back to the difference between the person and the behavior.

"please note that this does not mean we must be accepting of other people's behaviors." theres a difference between a homosexual and Ted Bundie, you cant even classify them in the same catagory, how does a homosexual hurt soemone? they dont, ted bundie on the otherhand, his behavior was not acceptible in the slightest.

I wish it was so simple as defining what "hurts" others and what does not. As a Christian, the Bible is what makes a ruling for me for much of what is acceptable behavior and what is not. If one is so inclined to hold their own set of morals and ability to deduce what is good and what is not for others so high, does he not think of himself as God? That's why I defer to the Bible. If everybody else did so, and in a completely honest way, there would be no arguement as to what is right and what is wrong behavior. Morality cannot remain relative if we are to have any reasonable expectation of conformity in behavior within a society when it comes to what is acceptable and what is not.