Sex before marriage?

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Just to update you on where I'm at...We takled about it, thought about it and prayed about it long and hard and decided that we both think there's nothing wrong with it. We've had sex a few times now and there's definately no regrets.We both believe we've come to the right decision with some guidance from the Holy Spirit, but have the reassurance that if we've got it wrong we can throw ourselves on God's grace.Thanks for all your input guys. Wise words toriexx. Originally Posted By: toriexx...being a good christian is not about being heavily involved in church or etc it is about the connection that you personally feel with God. So true! Couldn't have put it better myself!

***WARNING: CHRISTIAN TO CHRISTIAN COMMUNICATION INCLUDED***So do you think the Holy Spirit is a bit wishy-washy? A hypocrite? Or did he just change His mind so you and yours could get your rocks off?

By what means do you think the Holy Spirit changed His mind?What I mean is that I live by God's grace through Christ, not by the laws of Leviticus. And please don't think we took this lightly - a lot of time, thought and prayer was committed with open minds.

Sex is a tough thing to decide on when your faith is involved. I, myself, am a christian and I had sex with someone I thought cared about me as much as I cared about him (which wasn't the case of course); I've since decided not to have sex again until it's for love (even if it means waiting till my wedding night). It's not something you just dive into or take lightly, and I comend(sp?) you on you and your girlfriend for really thinking it through before you took that step in your relationship.

Originally Posted By: Just For LaughsBy what means do you think the Holy Spirit changed His mind?What I mean is that I live by God's grace through Christ, not by the laws of Leviticus. And please don't think we took this lightly - a lot of time, thought and prayer was committed with open minds. What I mean is that the Bible is pretty clear on sex outside of marriage. And it isn't just in Leviticus. It's all in the New Testament as well. If you don't believe the Bible has any relevance to your life and your questions, well that's fine. Conversation over. However, you must know that the Holy Spirit is not going to "lead" you to do something that the Bible clearly says is wrong. So, what I was basically trying to say is that your claiming that the Holy Spirit "led" you and yours to the decision to have sex is little more than a dishonest cop-out.That is unless you don't believe the Bible is relevant...or, as I alluded to earlier, you have new breaking information about God all of a sudden changing his mind on things.

"All of a sudden" might be a little strong when you consider the age of those words in the Bible...I'd say God has had oh, 2000 years or so to change His mind.
I see your point though, and my slight bit of wit isn't intended to diminish it- just playing devil's advocate, if i can even do that in such a religion-heavy thread :-p

Actually, your slight bit of with is appreciated.
Keeps things from getting too heavy.

Why, thank you

[quote=cocky727I'd say God has had oh, 2000 years or so to change His mind.[/quote]I see some things in the bible as being irrelevant to our today, but I don't see his mind changing on this issue.I would also like to say that none of us are perfect and we all fall short of Christ, I know I'm not perfect, but if we want to talk about the bible and premarital sex, the bible says not to do it.

If you look up a couple of posts, you'll see that cocky explained he was just being witty, not trying to make a theological statement .

Originally Posted By: toriexx

As a christian i was taught that Jesus died on the crucifix for all of my sins those i have already commited and the ones that i will commit in the future, meaning that no matter what i do he will still love me, as his love is eternal.

If you and your girlfriend chose to wait , yes you have followed the teachings of the bible but even if you chose to go ahead with sex before your marriage , God will still love you and acording to him you are still his son and daughter.

One last thing before i finish ... being a good christian is not about being heavily involved in church or etc it is about the connection that you personally feel with God.

And I think one should not abuse the Christ's love and forgiveness. Of course you know Jesus would forgive you if you confess your sin to Him. But knowing that what is wrong, one should not commit or do something which is stated as a sin in the Bible just because one knows Jesus would forgive him.

If your point is justified, it means Christians can kill others because Jesus still loves them and they are still God's sons and daughters.

No, never think in that way. Think. "What would Jesus Do". Study His Words and do what Jesus asks you to do, and don't do what He does not want/allow you to do. There is no excuse as the premartial sex is wrong, according to the Bible. Unless you do not believe the Bible is the words of God.

I agree with this post here.

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And I think one should not abuse the Christ's love and forgiveness. Of course you know Jesus would forgive you if you confess your sin to Him. But knowing that what is wrong, one should not commit or do something which is stated as a sin in the Bible just because one knows Jesus would forgive him.

I have struggled with this concept alot recently. I have really begun to have issues with people saying "oh I'm forgiven I can do whatever I want".. I honestly don't believe in the concept of once saved always saved. its my personal belief that I was saved (christ died) I am being saved (I'm alive threw the grace of god meaning I have a chance to redeem myself for the wrong I have done/will do) and in the end I shall be saved (As long as I am faithful in the end I will be saved and absolved of my sins).

However, I must point out that all your beleif can not absolve your sin. You can't just say "oh I believe in god I'm saved". You can't just assume salvation because of belief. You then begin to sin without regret.

for an analogy I think of it as eating at your best friends house. They don't mind your cool.. you usually pay em back anyway its cool right? Well lets just say you quit payin em back.. sooner or later they are gunna get ticked off..

That being said I have had my own moral objections recently and been debating on whether I will persue sex out of marraige xD. For a while I said "no".. then I said "maybe" now I might be back to "no" >.<

I don't understand your statement "I honestly don't believe in the concept of once saved always saved." How many times do you have to be saved? I believe only once because Christ only had to 'die' once and you only have to accept Him once. The whole "I'm saved so I can do as I please" way of thinking is completely wrong in my opinion, I believe we're all sinners and that we should do our best to not sin (but we're all made of flesh and it's our nature) and if we truely believe in Christ as savior He'll forgive us if we ask. Him forgiving us doesn't mean we should commit the same action over and over again because He'll turn a blind eye, it means we should do our best not to do it again and live our lives the way He would want us to. Thats what I believe at least.

I agree Katie.And I agree that eternal security shouldn't make us feel free to knowingly sin. I believe that at some point God will just give us over to that sin. Stop bailing us out...stop protecting us...whatever.

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"What would Jesus Do"

If Jesus didn't get crucified, do you think he would have married?

Some say he was.

No, I honestly don't think he would have

Hmm Back off holiday so i can now reply to your post.I am not agreeing with breaking the conditions of God's love but i was stating what i was taught at my church and that is that God sent his son to die for all of my sins that includes the ones that i have and will commit.God understands that we are human he realizes that no-one is sin free !I'm really not sure what to say to the rest of what you have said i feel you slightly twisted the moral of the point i was trying to make with the remark about Christians killing others. I was trying more so to make the point that God's Love is unconditional more than that we should all go around breaking the Bible's word and " killing " one another.With Regards to sin and consciously sinning: I committed a sin and of course i knew it was wrong and of course i knew it was a sin but its not like i did it to "break" the conditions of gods love i did it because at that time i did what i thought was right (.... it wasn't i learnt that much later on and i asked for god's forgiveness and even with his forgiveness i still regret it till this day) ** not really sure if u will understand the point i'm trying to make but I'm really struggling to explain in understandable English what i mean **

That seems perfectly good theology to me.

I think that you explained just fine. I only wish that I had the command of another language the way you do of english and that others had the sense that you appear to have.