Once again (and at this point, none too surprising), you miss the point.
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Maine Senate Passes Same-sex Marriage Bill
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Quote:You better believe NAMBLA members jump for joy everytime another state "validates" gay marriage. They see themselves another step closer to getting what they want. What the hell does two CONSENTING ADULTS wanting to get married have ANYTHING to do with NAMBLA? Not a damn thing. Again you are trying to compare two totally different things.Better yet what you are trying to do is exactly what all the extremists are doing and that’s using scare tactics, which I find to be disgusting and truly shows your lack of integrity.
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Originally Posted By: thor
Once again (and at this point, none too surprising), you miss the point.
How about be blunt and put out your point instead of trying to disguise it around scare tactics and mumbo jumbo... just state it black and white. Thor, because I personally am tired of you saying, "You are missing the point". If you have to say it that often to practically everyone on this site than apparently you are not being clear enough.
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ya know, every time the child molester argument flies out, it says one thing. You believe that homosexual activity should also be outlawed.
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Originally Posted By: unsupervised
ya know, every time the child molester argument flies out, it says one thing. You believe that homosexual activity should also be outlawed.
What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their own business, whether I approve of it or not. Bring it out into the open for all to see (making one wonder why they put doors on bedrooms in the first place) makes it everyone's business...whether they (or you) like it or not.
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Originally Posted By: Rad Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: unsupervisedaren't Mormans Christians too? No. What makes a "christian", then?The Mormons are, officially, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If you really want to know (and that's a really big "if"), there's plenty info on the web. Go find it yourself.
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Originally Posted By: thorBring it out into the open for all to see but are you okay with seeing hetero couples making out on the park bench? no different... dont' discredit me because I'm younger than and don't as much as you do... yes, I guess I did miss your point...then what was it? Originally Posted By: thorIf you really want to know (and that's a really big "if"), there's plenty info on the web. Go find it yourself. dude, if you don't know, just say you don't know. don't be arrogant about it. besides, i wouldn't trust the internet for such things, anyway. and maybe, it's you, who doesn't really want to know...Eddie, thank you for exemplifying my point there. Got your back, homie g furthermore, I was re-reading....what exactly does "Bring it out into the open..." this have to do with much? If you don't like it, but realize you can't stop it, isn't that what the whole argument that spawned off of the argument, that spawned off of the argument, that spawned off of the argument, was about?
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No kidding, dude. I think that all of us are. Clarification isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. Maybe we should come up with a FireFox extension. Thorspeak to English.And actually, what I think it is, he says that when he's backed himself into a corner because we disproved what he was going for, and does the whole "Oh I meant to do that" kinda thing.
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Originally Posted By: Rad
I "know" what my pastor said, but when I ask you a question, I kind of want to find out what you think.
Each of us must decide for themselves, ultimately. If you are truly interested, you will go find out for yourself. If not,...
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Originally Posted By: LuvMyCats Originally Posted By: thorBring it out into the open for all to see but are you okay with seeing hetero couples making out on the park bench? no different.Any three year-old kid could tell the difference. Quote:furthermore, I was re-reading....what exactly does "Bring it out into the open..." this have to do with much? "Coming out of the closet" is another term for it. I think "coming out of the bedroom" would have been a more appropriate term. Folks who do so insist on identifying themselves based on their sexual preferences first and formost above all else...and must throw it in everybodies face in order to do so (announcing they're gay whenever possible, by speach or action). At first because they desired acceptance...now because they desire validation. Desires that should not exist if they indeed saw themselves the same as the rest of us see ourselves. They need to get over their "liberal victim" complex and concentrate on the greater good. But I can see why a person might identify with them if they felt themselves a victim in some regard...which is perhaps why most liberals would rather cast support for them in their endeavors rather than take a look at the bigger picture and be responsible with their decisions.
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Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: LuvMyCats Originally Posted By: thorBring it out into the open for all to see but are you okay with seeing hetero couples making out on the park bench? no different.Any three year-old kid could tell the difference.And do you know why any three year-old can tell the difference? Because they are raised to be aware of the difference. They are taught that there is a mommy and a daddy, anything else is different and wrong. I you didn't make an issue out of it, they wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Originally Posted By: thor
At first because they desired acceptance...now because they desire validation.
Its still about acceptance, since people like you still refuse to accept them. Now, you say that you do and that you don't care what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom, but that isn't truly accepting them. From the way you talk here its obvious that you don't accept them, hinting (to put it lightly) that you consider homosexuality, murder and pedophilia to be morally on par with each other.
Have you ever considered why you hold your belief that homosexuality is wrong? Is it Biblical? Because we all know how ambiguous that is, and how much it contradicts itself. Everyone thinks that it condemns homosexuality, but just look at the relationships of Ruth and Naomi, David and Jonathan, Daniel and Ashpenaz.
Or are these simply your own prejudices?
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Like bob said...I second that motion.But...I see where you're coming from with that explanation, thanks for it. My turn. So, you more-so, it seems, have a problem with the in-your-face type of people, not just the people that want to live a happy life, unprejudiced. Yes, I'll agree with you on your views regarding in-your-face types, it's a bit buggersome, and you want to tell them to back off a little. (And the types that do announce it, may be working through issues, and may be still struggling to find themselves.) But don't write off all gay people as IYF people. The majority just want to live like you do. Don't let the media brainwash you into thinking the extremes are the norm.But I think that the liberals just want to do what they think is right. Like the couple of (R)s that changed their vote to 'yes' in NY, "Something told me it wasn't the right thing to do to vote no."
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Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorAny three year-old kid could tell the difference.And do you know why any three year-old can tell the difference? Because they are raised to be aware of the difference. They are taught that there is a mommy and a daddy, anything else is different and wrong. I you didn't make an issue out of it, they wouldn't have a problem with it. You don't have kids, do you bob. If you did, you'd know how wrong you are...though it probably wouldn't stop you from posting the same thing.
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Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorAt first because they desired acceptance...now because they desire validation.Its still about acceptance, since people like you still refuse to accept them. People like me have always accepted them...just like anybody else. What I do NOT accept is the behavior...especially when it's shoved in my face. I'm still waiting for the day when you succeed at finally wrapping your brain around that relatively simple concept. I won't be holding my breath.
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Why aren't all those that hate gays more direct and say they believe homosexuals are an inferior and unfortunate part of society and in as much society must destroy them. Why beat around the bush?If that's their opinion, fine, they are entitle to it but why go in circles with polite "reasoned" condemnations that skirts the point of their honest feelings. Why not just say, "I hate those nasty faggots." and leave it at that. I don't know which is more frightening those that hate blindly or the masses that buy into the "reasoned" arguments the haters make about how "queers" are going to be the destruction of society.
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Quote:"Coming out of the closet" is another term for it. I think "coming out of the bedroom" would have been a more appropriate term. Folks who do so insist on identifying themselves based on their sexual preferences first and formost above all else...and must throw it in everybodies face in order to do so (announcing they're gay whenever possible, by speach or action). First off I want to say your little snide comment about "coming out of the bedroom" rather childish. But I'll move on...I don't know many homosexuals that identify themselves primarily by their sexuality, but lets be honest here whether we like it or not society has chosen to make sexuality a big deal... not us. Likewise, how many times have you met a gay person and they announced "Hi. My names John and I'm a homosexual." I personally never heard or seen anyone doing that. Like LuvMyCars said, you cannot believe everything the media wants to feed you because most of it is the extreme, not the norm. Quote:At first because they desired acceptance...now because they desire validation. I won't speak for the whole homosexual community, but what I will say is the majority of us could careless if people like you accept up and surely aren't looking for you to validate us. What we are looking for is equal treatment under the law, which regardless what your warped mind wants to believe we do not have.Perhaps you are not aware but there are still many states that can fire a gay person simply because the person is gay. Ohio is one of those states. If I am not mistaken, I believe there are a couple states, like Utah, that "practicing" gay sex is illegal, whether it's behind closed doors or not. And you have the nerve to say we have equal treatment under the law? Right... Quote:Desires that should not exist if they indeed saw themselves the same as the rest of us see ourselves. Hard to see ourselves as real US Citizens when we don't have the same equal treatment. Quote:They need to get over their "liberal victim" complex and concentrate on the greater good. And what greater good is that Thor? Bowing down to the "Christian Majority" and locking ourselves back in the closet? Turning our backs on gay bashing and letting more young teens commit suicide because they have nowhere to turn? Continue to take a sector of the US community and treat them like they are scum and restrict their rights? Tell me Thor, where is the greater good in all that because I am having a hard time finding it.------------------------------------------------------On a side note after reading another post of yours, you seem to be under the impression that if they legalize same-sex marriage that there are going to be gay people everywhere making out on the streets and having sex on every corner. Grow up! We are not these sexual deviants that you like try to portray us as. Plus, do you really think we think that by legalizing gay marriage that suddenly it’s going to be okay to show PDA everywhere we go? I don’t think anyone is that naïve because the world will still have close minded people like you that will have issues with same-sex couples holding hands or a peck on the check/lips.Even with that said I’m not a fan of PDA regardless of orientation. I hate seeing two straight people making out in public just as I hate seeing people of the same gender making out in public. But I certainly see no harm in holding hands and showing innocent affection. I would love to be able to walk down the street and hold Adam’s hand, but I am also smart enough to realize it’s just not something we can do, plus I am considerate of other people and I don’t want to make other people uncomfortable (which is something I shouldn’t have to feel).
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...especially when it's shoved in my face
It's funny because everyday my rights must be violated because straight people are constantly shoving their sexuality in my face.
What what I am waiting for you to wrap around your close-minded brain is that homosexuality is not a behavior, no more than being straight is a behavior.
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Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself Quote:Desires that should not exist if they indeed saw themselves the same as the rest of us see ourselves. Hard to see ourselves as real US Citizens when we don't have the same equal treatment.There's that liberal "I'm a victim" mentality again. You are treated no differently and have all the same rights as anybody else. But because you see yourself as a victim, you somehow believe you are entitled to more rights than anybody else...entitled to destroy the fabric of our society for your own selfish interests...entitled to invade our schools and brainwash our children...entitled to make a mockery of the institution of marriage and of all the people who believe in it. I'm sorry, but your self-percieved status of "victim" entitles you to none of this; it tramples the rights of others, in some cases is unContstitutional, and in ALL cases is just plain wrong. Quote: Quote:They need to get over their "liberal victim" complex and concentrate on the greater good. Tell me Thor, where is the greater good in all that because I am having a hard time finding it.You won't find it being continually centered on yourself and your "victim" status...that's for sure.
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Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself
What what I am waiting for you to wrap around your close-minded brain is that homosexuality is not a behavior, no more than being straight is a behavior.
Being gay is not a behavior...having homosexual sex is. Is it dawning on you yet?