Quote:There's that liberal "I'm a victim" mentality again. You are treated no differently and have all the same rights as anybody else. But because you see yourself as a victim, you somehow believe you are entitled to more rights than anybody else...entitled to destroy the fabric of our society for your own selfish interests...entitled to invade our schools and brainwash our children...entitled to make a mockery of the institution of marriage and of all the people who believe in it. I'm sorry, but your self-percieved status of "victim" entitles you to none of this; it tramples the rights of others, in some cases is unContstitutional, and in ALL cases is just plain wrong. You know, Thor, I have held my tongue long enough... Fuck you and the fucking high horse you rode in on. Who the hell are you to sit there and act like you know a DAMN thing about being gay. You know nothing, nothing at all what its like to be a gay person. The shit I have to deal with and the people like me. I am discriminated against almost on a daily basis. For what?? Because of my own personal sexuality? Something that doesn't even concern another person. And you are going to sit there and act like you have any idea what its like? Well Thor, Fuck you! How would you feel to be discriminated against due to something you have absolutely no control over? I cannot control being gay anymore than you can control being straight.We want to make a mockery of marriage???? Are you kidding me?? You straight people have done that yourself!! Have you seen the divorce rate? The adultery rate? You need to open your eyes! Straight people have had marriage for thousands of years and you have done nothing BUT make a mockery of it!Have I been a victim of injustices? Damn right I have! But I don't see myself as a victim, but instead of leader of trying to make changes so people will never have to feel like a victim of their own government.Read this who post or not Thor I don’t really care. But I am just tired of close minded people like yourself speaking like you have any clue.
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Maine Senate Passes Same-sex Marriage Bill
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Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorAny three year-old kid could tell the difference.And do you know why any three year-old can tell the difference? Because they are raised to be aware of the difference. They are taught that there is a mommy and a daddy, anything else is different and wrong. I you didn't make an issue out of it, they wouldn't have a problem with it. I have to disagree with you on that.Yes there is a mommy and a daddy. That's how nature intended it to be. That is how it is supposed to be. Daddy/Daddy & Mommy/Mommy is different and wrong from a basic core biological aspect.
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I cannot and will not disagree that biologically that's how it was intended. I have never objected to that. Obviously it's how all life reproduces and carries on the race.But my issue is when people call it "wrong". When someone calls it wrong, I view it as they are saying two people of the same sex cannot care, love, and support a child as much as a heterosexual couple. Which I obviously do not agree with and it has been shown and proven that people of the same sex can raise a child just as successfully. Mind you this happens not only in the human race but throughout the animal kingdom... dolphins and penguins just to name two.
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Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorAny three year-old kid could tell the difference.And do you know why any three year-old can tell the difference? Because they are raised to be aware of the difference. They are taught that there is a mommy and a daddy, anything else is different and wrong. I you didn't make an issue out of it, they wouldn't have a problem with it. You don't have kids, do you bob. If you did, you'd know how wrong you are...though it probably wouldn't stop you from posting the same thing. I am a father and a damn good one at that. What my son has seen in his life is his hetrosexual parents get divorced and I'm so sorry he had to go through it.He has also seen that both mom and dad have gay friends. The woman who cuts his hair (I went to high school with) and her wife have a baby. Actually, in a few more years, their marriage will have outlasted mine.You can jump up and down and deny it all you want but families are different and you can't change it. The definitions of family and marriage that you hold dear really haven't been around all that long in the scope of human exsitance.
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Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfWhen someone calls it wrong, I view it as they are saying two people of the same sex cannot care, love, and support a child as much as a heterosexual couple.There is more going on that just care, love and support. There is the issue of role-models that are important to the social and psychological upbringing of the child...something gay couples cannot hope to ever provide. Quote:Which I obviously do not agree with and it has been shown and proven that people of the same sex can raise a child just as successfully.Proven? Where??? From the stats I've seen, the children of gay couples are much more likely have psychological problems than with straight parents...something the pro-gay studies refuse to acknowledge. Consider that the only child that would be comfortable in a gay household would be a gay child...which, statistically speaking, is only 3% of them.
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Just when I thought maybe my last post to you was a bit too harsh, you shown me I was right to post what I did... Quote:There is more going on that just care, love and support. There is the issue of role-models that are important to the social and psychological upbringing of the child...something gay couples cannot hope to ever provide. Gay people cannot be role-models? Wow... really? Thor... you are so past ignorant that I am not even sure how to respond to such a hateful, ignorant, and distastful comment. A role model has nothing to do about sexuality, it's about how a person conducts themselves in life and how the treat other people. You statement just proves you think homosexuals are inferior to heterseoxuals... you need to educate yourself and truly learn tolerance for people that are different than you. Quote:Proven? Where??? From the stats I've seen, the children of gay couples are much more likely have psychological problems than with straight parents...something the pro-gay studies refuse to acknowledge. Consider that the only child that would be comfortable in a gay household would be a gay child...which, statistically speaking, is only 3% of them. I want to see these stats Thor... for once show some damned proof! And not from one of your bias websites, get a site that’s neutral and not going to distort facts. I can tell you now your statement is beyond false, because you are talking about a topic I know quite a bit about and researched myself. There have been studies and documentaries done that show there is no more harm in children being raised by homosexual parents than by heterosexual parents.One of my best friends has three children and is in a lesbian relationship. Her oldest child is now 13. She is top of her class academically, has a large group of friends, loves cheerleading, and is just as boy crazy as any other typical 13-year-old girl. Her only “issue” is she has asthma, which you cannot blame on her lesbian mothers causing because she was raised by same-sex parents LoL. They also have a 9-year-old boy who is as rambunctious as any boy I’ve ever met, loves to play with trucks, and is also doing well in school academically. Their third child is only 2 ½, so not much to say about him except he’s the cutest little thing!! LolMy barber and his boyfriend (who have been together 25 years now, longer than most straight people these days) adopted a boy when he was 5 years old he’s now 14. The boy is SUPER girl crazy!! And he loves his Dad’s very much and is never afraid to say it. Anytime he comes into the barbershop he gives them both a hug and usually a kiss on the cheek. He plays soccer, baseball, and football when in season. He’s your typical boy who just happens to have two Dad’s. Just to give two examples…
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How are there 12 news posts, since 6:30...12! Originally Posted By: NtroPerhaps you are not aware but there are still many states that can fire a gay person simply because the person is gay. And isn't it funny, that on applications, they say Quote:"Best Buy is committed to a policy of Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) and maintains an Affirmative Action program. Best Buy will not discriminate on the basis of age, sex, race, color, creed, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, national origin, alienage or citizenship, disability, marital status, military or veteran status, or any other legally recognized protected basis under federal, state, or local laws, regulations or ordinances. Our management is dedicated to ensuring the fulfillment of this policy. When necessary, we will reasonably accommodate employees and applicants with disabilities and with religious requirements necessitating accommodation." and all the other stuff, but companies don't really care when it comes down to it? Originally Posted By: thorentitled to destroy the fabric of our society for your own selfish interests Who are you, Doctor Doom? WTF Thor, open that shell, and maybe you'll see the light, and breath uncontaminated air, that whole post was completely wrong. But of course, when your own beliefs are sheltered.... Originally Posted By: thorProven? Where??? From the stats I've seen, the children of gay couples are much more likely have psychological problems than with straight parents...something the pro-gay studies refuse to acknowledge. Consider that the only child that would be comfortable in a gay household would be a gay child...which, statistically speaking, is only 3% of them. >>Ahh, yes, I wanna see these too! Comon dude! Show me! Please???<specifically about that. I can't believe you said the SAME EXACT thing, as Dick wrote it. I, for one, would be FINE in a gay household, I couldn't careless, it's what dad/mom wants to do, I can't control it. Maybe kids with the complexes that your type forces them to endure, causes them to be uncomfortable. One day, thor, you're going to stop citing all this nonsense, and sounding like a broken F'ing record, every time logic comes into play, you behave like a child, my way or the highway. Well do yourself a favor, and take the highway, because your way clearly isn't correct, and I can't begin to count all your contradictions.I don't think Tiny Tim would care much the orientation of his parents, he has a house, food, shelter, all much more important than knowing that daddy is boinking daddy, doncha think? You know, how do you know that gay marriage will plummet the world into oblivion, until you give it a chance, huh?Sometimes you have to let in the dark, to see the light.>>EOE: oh, but wait a minute, it says "legally recognized protected basis under federal, state, or local laws, regulations or ordinances.". So that means, we don't care if your gay, straight, or bi, as long as your straight, or we can CAN your ass baby! ....Isn't that funny??
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Give all the examples you want, Dr. Doom has a plasma cannon. He'll decimate you.
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Quote:until you give it a chance, huh? What I also find funny is we have had same-sex marriage for years in a couple states and abolsutely NOTHING negative has happened to those states that stems back to allowing same-sex marriage. Amazing huh?
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Thought this debate was OVERRRRRR.
Thor, whether you like it or not.. America is moving forward without you!! Im pretty sure Gay Marriage will be legal in ALL states someday
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You mean vents from Hell haven't opened, allowing denizens of the underworld to steal people's souls?That must be wrong!
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Where have you been, steph? He'll break eventually, although I think we need diamond tips, and lots and lots of carbon to break through this shell. Oh yeah, a little francium and nitroglycerin too...
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Avoiding this thread for starters!!We all know I can get heated!! (Not just in bed.. on here too) bahahahahah
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That's not a proposition, is it? Good idea.throws hand up Mwuhahahah! you all stare, I feel awkward I wanted to laugh, too..
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Quote:There is the issue of role-models that are important to the social and psychological upbringing of the child...something gay couples cannot hope to ever provide. yes, only hetrosexual parents can raise a mentally healthy child
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we can be naughty!!!MUAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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And people say hate isn't taught....wow, that's kinda scary...did she have three sixes, too?
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Originally Posted By: thor
Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself
Which I obviously do not agree with and it has been shown and proven that people of the same sex can raise a child just as successfully.
Proven? Where??? From the stats I've seen, the children of gay couples are much more likely have psychological problems than with straight parents...something the pro-gay studies refuse to acknowledge. Consider that the only child that would be comfortable in a gay household would be a gay child...which, statistically speaking, is only 3% of them.
And where are you getting your mystery statistics from? Should I even bother asking for citation?
I did a search and did find a report from the Canadian Psychological Association, and their findings said that "the development of sexual identity, personality and social relationships develops similarly in children of homosexual and heterosexual parents."
http://www.cpa.ca/cpasite/userfiles/Documents/advocacy/brief.pdf
This has also been said by the American Psychological Association.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov04/action.html
Further on that, they also say that "Although the sexual orientation of their parents does not result in psychological impairment in children, the stigma and isolation these families experience as the result of public and systemic prejudice and discrimination, may in fact cause distress."
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no sixes, the parents are nazis, not satainists Quote:“She said the meaning of [the swastika] is that black people don't belong,” the social worker said. “She told me that we have to protect white kids from, quote-unquote, niggers.”The girl went on to tell the social worker, “Black people just need to die. That's not scary. This is a white man's world.” suddenly imagining a slightly different conversation...“She said the meaning of [the swastika] is that gay people don't belong,” the social worker said. “She told me that we have to protect white kids from, quote-unquote, faggots.”The girl went on to tell the social worker, “Gay people just need to die. That's not scary. This is a straight man's world.”
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Originally Posted By: sdp Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorAny three year-old kid could tell the difference.And do you know why any three year-old can tell the difference? Because they are raised to be aware of the difference. They are taught that there is a mommy and a daddy, anything else is different and wrong. I you didn't make an issue out of it, they wouldn't have a problem with it. I have to disagree with you on that.Yes there is a mommy and a daddy. That's how nature intended it to be. That is how it is supposed to be. Daddy/Daddy & Mommy/Mommy is different and wrong from a basic core biological aspect. I stand by my concluding remark. If people like thor didn't make an issue about it, children wouldn't have a problem with it.