Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

---

You guys must have been on some serious crack TODAY! lol stay off the crack guys. It's not good for the brain. Could get you into some deep trouble. Just trying to help you out.

Originally Posted By: bob :)we question your beliefs and we question our own.But seriously, what right do you have to question my motives? I'm fine if you wish to question your reality to whatever end and means you feel gives you fulfillment; but to come to me with questions of, "why are you not like Christ if you believe and rely so heavily on him?" or, "why do you believe God exists?" Seriously, it's a none-issue. It's like asking why I like the color blue, instead of red. If I paint my car blue, who are you to question me? (not aimed directly at you bob) I'm not on trial before any judge for any crime. All I'm saying is that, I've seen like four or five of these threads (including why is gay this and that necessary...etc.) pop up in the last two or three weeks.  Quote:We choose to not be sheep, we choose to risk living in a world without a God. As Pink showed, some people are weaker without God. But some people are stronger without Him. And that's their prerogative. I don't have any right - heavenly, lawfully, or morally to question that. So I don't.To answer the original question as to why if Jesus is a liberal, why am I not a liberal: Jesus did not require me to be LIKE him in every fashion. There are 11 laws which I am required to follow: 10 commandments, and the law of, Jesus being the way to enter Heaven. He does not say, "Be like me, or else you will burn in hellfire where the worms die'eth not, and the water quencheth not..etc." So as granted by my spiritual right of free will, I am able to disagree with him on certain things without fear of reprisal.

Brilliant responce. You got what I was trying to get at.

> the discouragement of condoms in Africa from Catholics (which results in AIDS, of course)

First off, Catholics have many different reasons (many of them entirely logical) for discouraging condoms, but ultimately the Parish priest can advocate the use of condoms (and other birthcontrol) to couples in their parish, for various reasons. So, if two people are married, a priest would most definitely allow condoms if one had aids. But if two people aren't married, why would the priest say, oh yeah, I'm supporting what I consider to be a sin by allowing you to use condoms. They are sinning ANYWAYS, why would they care what a priest thought?

And although I personally do not plan on having sex before marriage, I am not saying that those who do are sinners. If you feel like there is nothing wrong with whatever you want to do, then maybe there isn't. It's your own personal choice.

Also, I personally do not mind people questioning religion because yes, you do need to think about it. You can't just follow blindly, hoping the religion you picked is the "right" one to save your soul. And as long as no one attacks me for my beliefs, I enjoy talking about religion. I mean, I don't attack yours, so don't attack mine, okay?

Originally Posted By: NnyFruitless arguement. Anything that can be used to save and to help people can be used in equal measure to destroy them.Cars save lives (ambulences)They also take lives (car bombs)Internet saves lives (Afraid to ask)It also takes lives (cyer bullying)Nuclear power can power a city. Or alter the entire population (Chernobyl)All of the above are products of science all of which were created by man. ANYTHING that can be used for good ultimately has a negative side which can be exploited. Basic law of physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.Pointing this out for religion seems a bit fruitless. I am not in anyway defending extremist. Infact I dislike extremist as much as the next guy all I am saying is that ultimately there will ALWAYS be an equal and opposite reaction. yes you're so right!!! Nazis can be used for killing, but they can also be used for...!... oh wait.

Originally Posted By: ajmakoko> the discouragement of condoms in Africa from Catholics (which results in AIDS, of course)First off, Catholics have many different reasons (many of them entirely logical) for discouraging condoms, but ultimately the Parish priest can advocate the use of condoms (and other birthcontrol) to couples in their parish, for various reasons. So, if two people are married, a priest would most definitely allow condoms if one had aids. But if two people aren't married, why would the priest say, oh yeah, I'm supporting what I consider to be a sin by allowing you to use condoms. They are sinning ANYWAYS, why would they care what a priest thought? And although I personally do not plan on having sex before marriage, I am not saying that those who do are sinners. If you feel like there is nothing wrong with whatever you want to do, then maybe there isn't. It's your own personal choice.Also, I personally do not mind people questioning religion because yes, you do need to think about it. You can't just follow blindly, hoping the religion you picked is the "right" one to save your soul. And as long as no one attacks me for my beliefs, I enjoy talking about religion. I mean, I don't attack yours, so don't attack mine, okay? i'm sorry, this is nothing against you personally, but I have EVERY RIGHT to attack your religion, as you have every right to attack my beliefs (or lack of). and, not only do I have a right to attack religion, but I have REASON to attack your religion. Now, I have nothing against people who believe something different from me. I'm fine with many christians, it's just some christians that are trying to push their beliefs on ME and trying to put their religion in our POLITICS and trying to ban things like STEM CELL RESEARCH and ABORTION. THIS ISNOT SUPPOSED TO BE A THEOCRACY!!!! and that is what makes me so angry

Originally Posted By: ajmakoko> the discouragement of condoms in Africa from Catholics (which results in AIDS, of course)First off, Catholics have many different reasons (many of them entirely logical) for discouraging condoms, but ultimately the Parish priest can advocate the use of condoms (and other birthcontrol) to couples in their parish, for various reasons. So, if two people are married, a priest would most definitely allow condoms if one had aids. But if two people aren't married, why would the priest say, oh yeah, I'm supporting what I consider to be a sin by allowing you to use condoms. They are sinning ANYWAYS, why would they care what a priest thought? And although I personally do not plan on having sex before marriage, I am not saying that those who do are sinners. If you feel like there is nothing wrong with whatever you want to do, then maybe there isn't. It's your own personal choice.Also, I personally do not mind people questioning religion because yes, you do need to think about it. You can't just follow blindly, hoping the religion you picked is the "right" one to save your soul. And as long as no one attacks me for my beliefs, I enjoy talking about religion. I mean, I don't attack yours, so don't attack mine, okay? yes, Catholics DO discourage the use of condoms in Africa, AIDS or not. they believe that it is a sin to use condoms, so they say not to use it. and if the person gets AIDS, the Catholic church'll just shrug and say "If that's what God wanted for him" after all, all of this IS God's decision, right? and so that's what the Catholics think, that if someone gets AIDS, they were meant to have it by God, probably because they were so sinful.

Quote:yes you're so right!!! Nazis can be used for killing, but they can also be used for...!... oh wait. hahahahaha. You don't know a bout the good the nazis did? well my friend. I am not approving of the methods by ANY means. However, nazi's made alot of medical break threws.And again not approving of the method but, Hitler got germany's economy to pull a 180.Just because they were mass murdering fuckheads (which they were don't get me wrong I would never say they weren't) Doesn't mean they didn't do good. They raised Germany from near ashes.

Quote: yes, Catholics DO discourage the use of condoms in Africa, AIDS or not. they believe that it is a sin to use condoms, so they say not to use it. and if the person gets AIDS, the Catholic church'll just shrug and say "If that's what God wanted for him" after all, all of this IS God's decision, right? and so that's what the Catholics think, that if someone gets AIDS, they were meant to have it by God, probably because they were so sinful. Hence the reason I don't believe in organized religion.

ahh, the good and bad balance of the universe.after all, if a priest rapes a couplle of alter boys, does that evil even compare to the good he did by saving souls through his spiritual endevours?aren't we all allowed the occasional indulgence after a day of the good work?

Quote:

ahh, the good and bad balance of the universe.

after all, if a priest rapes a couplle of alter boys, does that evil even compare to the good he did by saving souls through his spiritual endevours?

aren't we all allowed the occasional indulgence after a day of the good work?

Why should a Priest be held to any different standard then you?

And while you twist the logic on it. My point still remains valid =/.

Any harm that priest can do. You yourself can do. You yourself have the power to go out and rape an alter boy. YOu also have the power to do something productive equvielent to raping an alter boy just the same way the priest does.

Just as a priest can rape an alter boy, he can give to chairty, he can work with abuse victems, he can help people equivelent to any pain he can cause.

Just like you, just like me, Just like the nazi's.

I am BY NO MEANS trying to justify hurting people or saying "if you hurt someone you can just help someone else its its all good".

Which is what your trying to twist my arguement into. My arguement is that ultimately. Anything which causes harm can in the opposite direction help. ANd anythign that helps has the power to harm.

Its amazing how this post is critisizing christians of being unlike christ yet, you all want to ignore one of the major parts of science. Wonder how Mr. Newton feels.

hehehe, I think we've well established the high regard in which the fundamentalists hold science.

funny though, the science of evolution is complete crap yet the science of the internet, which allows them to expound on the failings of science, it quite handy.

I guess science is exactly like the bible. Accept the parts that you like and reject the parts you don't.

I'm surprisd you think there is any real difference between one person and another. I can entertain the thought of evolution all day long. In fact I have no problem with entertaining that thought. I don't have to accept it but, I can walk on someone else side of the line. I can step into a scientific arena and discuss science and then step into a religious arena and discuss religion.

I am very open to discussion. However, I am not open to pointless persecution.

I guess my only question is don't you find it ironic we are searching so frantically for a "Missing link"

I'd rather search for an answer than accept one that was made up for me.There in lies the rub. I might possibly be a happier man if I was able to accept faith over the relentless search for truth, but that's not my nature.btw, the concept of a missing link is somewhat outdated now. The funny thing about knowlage... the more you search, the more you find.

Originally Posted By: NnyI guess my only question is don't you find it ironic we are searching so frantically for a "Missing link" Get with the times man! The "Missing Link" argument may have been effective a few decades ago, but scientists can now trace human evolution back through fossils and DNA for about 8 million years. There is no missing link, we are apes (not monkeys). It is a fact.

Originally Posted By: blackmanoncampus Originally Posted By: bob :)we question your beliefs and we question our own.But seriously, what right do you have to question my motives?I have every right in the world to question your motives and beliefs. Just as you have every right to question the motives and beliefs of people who believe it to be ok to perform female genital mutilation as a part of their religion.

Quote:

I'd rather search for an answer than accept one that was made up for me.

This reminds me of an arguement I read about. A scientist stated "looking at it scientifically theology doesn't make sense because if god created the universe what created god? so we might as well skip a step and ask what created the universe?"

Yet, on the flip side. If you belive in big bang then ultimately your going to have to "skip" a step anywhere and everywhere. Because your going to keep asking "where did that come from" and then "where did that come from" and "what was before that"

Quote:

btw, the concept of a missing link is somewhat outdated now. The funny thing about knowlage... the more you search, the more you find.

heh. My biggest quirk with evolution right now (I'll find think of more later) is that ultimately there is no denying what so ever that we evolve. We adapt on a daily basis thats proven and I accept that as fact. However, it takes life to make life. Even *if* you want to believe we evolved from a single celled organism. Then you have to ask where did that single cell come from? No such thing as spontaneous generation.

my point exactly... don't stop askingoh, and "spontenious" combination of base elements into the bulding blocks of life was recreated in the lab before you were born.

You would think something like that would recieve more attention. Time to do some research.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousI have every right in the world to question your motives and beliefs. Just as you have every right to question the motives and beliefs of people who believe it to be ok to perform female genital mutilation as a part of their religion. But see, the problem there is you're generalizing about religion. "We can question these guys for what they do....so...it must be ok to question everybody..."What does someone performing female genitalia mutilation, in a culture as part of their religion have to do with my protestant views on my life? A lot of people who question, are not looking for an answer, I find. They are looking for a reason to degrade. They've already made up in their mind either why my decision is invalid/stupid, or how they can twist my answer into showing how "pointless" and unworthy my views are. If I say, faith gives me hope, and I believe in the Holy Bible, somehow it'll be turned around into a way to make me look idiotic for following a book that was "concocted by man." It's so silly.