Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

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well bob, we are hypocrites aren't we?After all, it's the contradictions in the bible that make it flawed yet it's the cotradictions in science that make it wonderful

I love contradictions, cause if you say it slowly you can get away with saying "dick".Prove science wrong and they thank you. Prove religion wrong and they burn you.

I love you neighbour

No, I love YOU neighbour! And not just because you spell 'neighbour' correctly!

actually bob everything I've heard atheists say can't be proven have been proven but everytime you try to explain they don't wanna hear or they try to find a flaw that doesn't exist. or mock you complaining that it's untrue.yet the evolution theory is so unbelievably flawed it's not even funny. for example, transitional forms exist nowhere on this planet and it's taken YEARS to try and discover one only to find out it's a fraud or something completely different. and when one is "found" evolutionists jump for joy that "yes! we found one!" only to discover, that Jimmy over in the corner was so desperate he made the whole thing up all along. people have their own beliefs but there's no point discussing it because you will never agree. I find the Big Bang theory absolutely hilarious. really.. I do. but I will say nothing more on that subject because I know what happens when hostility goes up on this board. people have no self-control and end up saying things that they say they don't mean when everyone knows they really do.

one of the few words I can spell correctly

transitional forms exist everywhere on this planet

really? like what?

youever been in a building that's several hunderd years old? How high are the door frames compared to today?what was the record for the 100m dash in 1920?what is the record today?are you afraid of the swine flu?are you afraid of the bird flu?actually, viruses are one of the best and simplest examples of constant evolution. Their gererational cycle is so short that they are contantly adapting, evolving... a hell of a lot faster than we are.

Oh please do not become one of those people who spouts that tired old bullshit about scientists faking results and findings just to prove their theories!Transitional forms exist everywhere, we're all transitional forms. Every sub-species is a transitional form of an older species. I can't deny that there have been a few fraudulent claims, but they are always found out because of the way science works. Someone does an experiment and gets some results, then someone else repeats the experiment to verify the results.

you see unsupervised, I was about to respond to you but bob's reply is a MAJOR CLUE it's time for me to go and leave this thread to it's own outcome.

and I am Off-ended being compared to a monkey.

peace.

what's wrong with monkeys?there are many more noble beasts on this planet than us (did bob mention monkeys?)your're not off the hook, answer me

I never said monkeys, I even said earlier that we aren't monkeys. We're apes. Monkeys have tails, we don't. Altho I would gladly be a monkey just for the tail...Abi > Sorry if I offended you with my post. Please don't let it deter you from discussing things with Mr.U.

no thank you because I can see where this is going and it's 10:30 at night I have CHURCH in the morning to go praise the very thing you don't believe. lolbut no I didn't even mean to start any conflict but what do you expect.

probably one of the most ironic things about this debate is that the proof of the argument is the same...

what is the proof of creation.... us
what is the proof of evolution... us

faith is a funny thing. there is no argument against it. Carbon dating, dinosaur bones, geolology, biology, astronomy... it all pales in comparison to a pure belief.
the sad thing is that devout christians, muslems, jews, etc all have so much in common yet can hate each other.

when was the last time 2 scientists publishing conflicting research killed each other (along with a thousand bystanders)?

Quote:in the morning to go praise the very thing you don't believe. lol You pray to Santa??

Originally Posted By: bobalicious
And this is the point where my mind starts screaming "But why?? Why do you believe this book full of things that cannot be proved, cannot be verified and more often than not, contradicts everything that science discovers!! It even contradicts itself quite a number of times, as well as just being flat out wrong!"
But I won't ask you cause I know the answer. You have the faith to take the leap, to trust this book. I can't do that, the book is just total bullshit to me.
And as a matter of interest, what did the Bible predict would happen that is happening today?
yes, like the guy who posted above said, there are so many contradictions between science and the bible, history and the bible, and it even contradicts itself. one example: there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever of the entire world flooding over. if the whole world had flooded, the evidence would have been everywhere. another example: it has pretty much been proven that there have never been any Hebrew slaves in Egypt. that was another fiction story of the bible. there were never any Hebrew slaves.
i mean, when i think about it, it's just so ridiculous that people believe this stuff!

You have to remember though. Often times they world could have been the Mediterranean, and not the full globe. The word, "world" was used to convey what land they knew of for sure existed.

Also, there may not be proof of slavery, but if I recall correctly, there was proof of large camps and things that could have housed thousands. They even found what may have been King Rameses stable - which is much larger that a conventional stable would have been, I believe.

Quote: Now, this comment wouldn't be too bad if it were coming from you, me or a loner sitting at home, murmering to himself about how he could make the world a better place. But this guy is a minister, what he says actually influences the minds of large groups of people including many young children, and its absolutely sickening. As a christian its this kinda stuff that I absolutely detest. Major part of why I am against organized religion.Ok guys. Please. What was being referred to by "transitional" life forms isn't just one or two that look similar. She is talking about this. If evolution were indeed 100% fact. Then ultimately we would see MANY MANY MANY MANY more fossils of smiliar species. We would not be searching for a "missing link" Not only would we see a clear and decisive evolutionary trail we would have many more fossils of deformed/diseased mutations which failed.As to the arguement that we ourselves are transitional life forms. I do believe you are forgetting various factors. (for example the steriods which make their way into our food which we happen to eat).As to viruses I may be very well mistaken but, I don't think they are classified as living organisms. Unless they changed that in the last few years.Oh btw. AV You are somewhat wrong about the flooding ordeal. There are MANY MANY MANY MANY cultures which reference a "great flood" occuring. And seeing as the bible has been translated and things are writtin in their time. As another poster said "world at that time may have ment all the land known". However, even in the Epic of Gilgamesh there is reference to a great flood.Gotta love history.I just can't help but, feel this thread has been taken the wrong way by all sides. I may be wrong but, I thought this was really more directed towards christians saying we need to fix our fucked up sects. We need to act more like christ. Then maybe we will get more followers.I may be a christian but, I can't say I like very much about the way we as humans act towards eachother.The bible wants us to take pride in being christians. Being a christian means to humble yourself. Sadly many people take pride in being a christian and think it means that they should take pride in having pride.I fail to see why people assume this thread is a direct attack on religion. I fail even more to see how the issues of science and evolution trying to disprove christianity come up.And please. These blanket statements which are being made are total bs. "christains", "muslims", "athiest" Ya know. Not ALL christians are total hypocrites (alot are and only want to support their own agenda) However, come on you can't expect athiest to be any better or muslims to be any beter. The sad truth is that we are all human. We are all equally capable of doing harm. So please lets not pretend athiest aren't equally capable of bombing someone.Don't pretend that if there was no such thing as religon all war would dissappear. We would just be fighting over something else. Thats life.Oh Also Let me throw this fact out there. Unless you have a degree in it anything that you throw out to defend evolution as "fact" Is ultimately equivelent to a religious person throwing out a religious "fact" unless you understand the science behind creation. You can't really claim its anything more then religion which is ultimately the same thing.Think about it. Christains make god out to be an inexplicable force. Scientist claim to have "facts" but, unless you understand them then ultimately your blindly following your "facts" the same way a christian blindly follows whatever they are taught or their interpretation of the bible.So lets quit pretending someone is that much better then someone else for what they believe. Or that much smarter. We are all human and all subject to the same flaws.

"A few, such as Belgian Cardinal Godfried Danneels, believe the Catholic Church should actively support condoms used to prevent disease, especially serious diseases such as AIDS. However, to date statements from the Vatican have argued that condom-promotion programs encourage promiscuity, thereby actually increasing STD transmission. Papal study of the issue is ongoing, and in 2006 a study on the use of condoms to combat AIDS was prepared for review by Pope Benedict XVI."AS I SAID BEFORE... So, if you are a MARRIED COUPLE, you may use a condom if your partner has an STD (this can be granted to you by your parish priest). The biggest reason the Church does not promote the use of condoms is that it promotes premarital sex in many cases. But if you are having premarital sex anyways, then why the hell (hee hee, pun...) would you care about sinning more by using a condom? The Catholic Church isn't evil and they certainly don't WANT people to get a disease (which is obvious by how they feel about the sanctity of life), and they don't believe God wants them to get a disease either. Do you think they believe that God was mad at His Son for being a sinner, and so Jesus got what he deserved?